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Expats Complain of Stricter Requirements for Indonesian Credit Cards
Irvan Tisnabudi | August 27, 2010

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TGIF
10:21pm Aug 29, 2010

Isn't the ranting and raving about credit cards issuance in Indonesia?

Opening an account is easy with the proper documents, acquiring a credit card is another story for expats.

But I believe the stricter rules have applied to avoid unscrupulous people with no credit history who may be abusing the system in a foreign country and could skip town at anytime. Nonetheless, there must have been some serious cases in the past to make the credit card rules even stricter in this country.

In the US for those who have bad credit history or no credit do require to deposit a certain amount to cover a credit limit that has been offered by the bank or a credit institution at a high interest rate of 15% or higher.


JudeMorri
9:52pm Aug 29, 2010

put minimum 50k and the bank will be very happy to assist you :)


Jakartass
4:07pm Aug 29, 2010

I've entrusted one bank with my rupiah for over 22 years, the bank which later turned into Bank Universal and is now Bank Permata.

What gets my goat is the lack of 'service' I get from them. Why is it that each year when I have to vary the standing order for the monthy deduction of my son's school fees that I have to prove who I am?

The fact that even the security guy at the door knows my name, should be an indication that I am who I am, as should me knowing the pin number for my ATM card, and that they have my signature stored in their data base.

But no, they have to have a photocopy of my passport at the very least before they will process the forms.

There was also the occasion last year when they almost begged us to take out a loan. Two guys came round and spent a couple of hours giving us all the gen we needed, and went off into the evening with us thinking we'd got a done deal.

We had to ring them several times to find out that our 'application' had been turned down - but not that they'd actually withdrawn their offer.

Incidentally, we do have some land which could serve as collateral.

BTW. HSBC gave me a second credit card which I don't really need and didn't ask for.


banyu
8:44am Aug 29, 2010

Yes, I recently had a similar experience with STANDARD CHARTERED Bank.I am a european national and have accounts with them for more than 10 years, but a recent request for credit cards for myself and my wife, who is Indonesian national, was not honored. And the guy at the counter could also not tell me the reasons why my request was denied, or give me a name of a person or anumber to contact!


peterR
8:19am Aug 29, 2010

I am reading what people say here with interest.

My wife, she is Indonesian, has accounts with HSBC and with BCA. She has about 170 juta in BCA. A while ago she asked BCA for a credit card at Setiabudi, Bandung branch, and they asked her to place down a deposit of 3 Juta. I was with her at the time and in my best English exclaimed, "you have to be friggin joking", to which we got the usual blank look, reminiscent of a confused slug.

More recently my wife went into BCA in Bali to free up money that is in a time deposit account in BCA Bandung, and they told her that she has to return to the branch where the time deposit was initiated, Bandung, to do this. So she has to fly from Bali to Bandung and return, basically spending most of the earned income, to get at her money.

Customer service; modern banking, have not got a clue, not a clue.


Jakarta. While most Indonesians are being bombarded by aggressive marketing for credit cards, some foreign nationals living in the country say they are still finding it difficult getting them.

Several expatriates who spoke to the Jakarta Globe said both local and international banks in Jakarta often required hefty deposits on credit cards, sometimes up to 110 percent of the available credit, while others said their applications had simply either been ignored or they were told they were not eligible because they were not citizens.

“I was told to do a one-time deposit totaling 110 percent of the credit card limit of the type of card I chose when I applied for a Bank CIMB Niaga credit card,” said Thomas, an English language tutor.

“But I thought that putting in a deposit would lose the basic purpose of getting a credit card in the first place, so I rejected the offer.”

Even at international banks, such as Citibank, Thomas said his applications were turned down as soon as he told them he did not have a credit card from a local bank.

A marketing manager at a beverage distribution company in Jakarta told the Globe that two local banks, Bank Negara Indonesia and Bank Mega, had told her that she needed a deposit of 80 percent of the credit limit before her application would be approved.

“Other than that, my credit card applications for two foreign banks, HSBC and Citibank, received no further feedback or processing,” she said, asking not to be identified.

Steve Marta, general manager of the Indonesian Credit Card Association (AKKI), acknowledged that banks often had additional requirements for foreign nationals who were seeking credit.

“Foreigners tend to be more mobile,” he said. “This gives banks more leeway when determining whether foreigners will be granted credit cards, compared to when they process local applicants.”

According to Marta, banks should only require a passport and temporary residency permit, or Kitas, as well as evidence of sufficient income, in order to qualify, but many asked for other “flexible” requirements when processing non-Indonesian applicants.

As an example, he said a letter of notice from the person’s employer regarding his or her employment status would facilitate the filtering process.

Several credit card applications examined by the Globe, however, did not list letters of notice as a requirement.

Zulnasri, head of BNI’s external communication division, acknowledged that the bank had different requirements for expatriates, but denied that it intentionally made it more difficult for them to obtain cards.

“We don’t want to make it hard for foreigners, because offering credit cards is like selling a product — so we want to sell as many as possible,” he said.

“But we have to sell them safely, or else we’ll suffer losses. This also occurs in other countries, like in Singapore — it’s hard for foreigners to apply for credit cards there.”

Rico Frans, head of country marketing at Citibank, said his bank welcomed foreign credit-card applicants, as long as they had a local residence, a Kitas and a passport.

He explained that further screening took into account whether applicants were renting or owned their residence, but said that process was the same for locals and foreigners alike.

Because foreigners tended to rent, Frans said, locals — who were more likely to own homes — had a better chance of approval.

Husna Zahir, chairwoman of the Indonesian Consumer Protection Foundation (YLKI), said because expatriates were seen as more mobile, banks screened them more carefully than Indonesians.

Marta, from AKKI, said there were no laws specifically related to credit cards for foreigners, and that each bank had its own guidelines depending on its “risk appetite.”

“Banks should want as much clarity on their customers’ status as possible — especially with foreigners — because credit cards offer noncollateral credit,” he said.

Steve added that banks also had a “card-for-card” mentality, whereby applicants who already have a credit card from another lender would have an easier time getting additional lines of credit.

He also said having a history with a bank would also make applying for a credit card much easier.