Bandung Cafe’s Nazi-Kitsch Theme Sparks Some Uncomfortable Questions

Lack of history taught in schools and a culture of jokes and stereotypes blamed for acceptance of bad-taste diner

Henry Mulyana, foreground, operates the Soldatenkaffee in Bandung, which is decorated with Nazi paraphanelia and has staff dressed in costumes reminiscent of the SS. (JG Photo/Yuli Krisna)

Henry Mulyana, foreground, operates the Soldatenkaffee in Bandung, which is decorated with Nazi paraphanelia and has staff dressed in costumes reminiscent of the SS. (JG Photo/Yuli Krisna)

Bandung/Jakarta. A restaurant in Bandung’s adoption of a Nazi theme has sparked debate on Indonesians’ seemingly relaxed attitude to offensive symbols, with sources of blame ranging from ignorance of history to a cultural tradition of jokes.

Soldatenkaffee has adorned its walls with Nazi-related memorabilia, including a large photograph of Adolf Hitler and a flag with the swastika symbol.

The waiters at the cafe dress in uniforms similar to those worn by officers of the Schutzstaffel (SS), the Nazi paramilitary. And in a nod to a classic Indonesian fried rice, the menu offers “Nazi goreng.”

Henry Mulyana, owner of Soldatenkaffee, said his decor had attracted many curious customers, both local and foreign, since the cafe’s opening in April 2011.

“I realized that displaying the Nazi symbol was going to spark some controversy, but I decided to go for it because I don’t feel I’m violating any laws,” Henry told Jakarta Globe over the weekend.

“Controversy will always exist, depending on from what side we’re looking from. The way I see it, the Nazis didn’t commit slaughter. War is crime, so there will always be acts of murder in a war.

“Even during the Dutch colonization of Indonesia, many Indonesians were killed. This is also the case with Americans and their bombing of Hiroshima. Why are the Nazis seen as bad guys while those belligerent nations are not?”

Denying Nazi responsibility

Henry claimed there was no proof the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust, the genocide of about 6 million Jews during World War II. He also denied idolizing Hitler or the Nazi ideology.

“The only reason why I put up Hitler’s picture is because it completes the theme I’ve set for my business,” Henry said.

“I’m not personally familiar with the [Nazi] ideology, but even if I am, I don’t think I’d find it completely disagreeable. For example, communism in Indonesia was prohibited, but it’s flourishing in China. Maybe it’s just a matter of politics.”

Many Internet users have heavily criticized the restaurant’s choice of theme.

“A genocide has never been or would ever be a good joke, not even a source of giggles,” wrote a user in an online thread on a forum for expatriates living in Indonesia.

Despite the near-global recognition of the horror of the Holocaust, in Indonesia symbols associated with the event have been used in marketing, often with producers and consumers ignorant of the historical origins.

Some factory outlet stores and small clothing shops in Indonesia sell shirts with the swastika symbol.

School silence

Danang, a 20-something office worker in Central Jakarta, said that during his time as a school student he was not taught about racial conflicts in Indonesia or abroad.

“I don’t remember having learned anything in the classroom about interracial or interethnic relations in Indonesia,” Danang told the Jakarta Globe.

“We barely ever mention the fact that there is tension between different racial groups or religious groups during civics class or history class. Controversial issues like the riots of May 1998 and the Trisakti tragedy never came up. If it did, it was only mentioned in passing,” he said, referring to the violent events during the downfall of former strongman president Suharto.

“Teachers might bring it up in university if you major in political science, but my secondary school teachers definitely didn’t bring it up.”

[quote author="Henry Mulyana, Soldatenkaffee"]I’m not personally familiar with the [Nazi] ideology, but even if I am, I don’t think I’d find it completely disagreeable.[/quote]

Even though Indonesia consists of more than 300 ethnic groups speaking more than 700 languages, few of the nation’s more than 240 million people receive formal education about race relations.

Few schools in Indonesia teach the world history curriculum, contributing to ignorance on sensitive racial matters.

Jokes and stereotypes

Many Indonesians only encounter racial matters through stereotypes and jokes.

“Growing up, my parents used to use ethnic stereotypes around my siblings and me. Some of them were pretty funny, even though they were often borderline racist,” said Yudi, a marketing manager at a multinational firm in Jakarta.

“Every time my sister was taking her leisurely time in the bathroom, we would retort, ‘She’s only like a Solo princess when she’s getting ready, but don’t you dare disturb her, because she’ll turn into a Flores thug!’ ”

Sarlito Wirawan Sarwono, a professor of psychology at University of Indonesia, said the use of humor to discuss controversial topics was a positive trait.

“The usage of humor actually shows maturity. The conflict of racism definitely exists, but it is latent. So it’s often disguised as humor,” Sarlito said.

“In psychology, we call this phenomenon sublimation, which is something potentially threatening that is packaged as another form that is more acceptable. Another example is the conversion of one’s aggressive tendencies into a form of self-defense.”

Indonesians’ casual and jesting manner when talking about race can results in a tendency to disregard an inappropriate reference to the Nazis as a light-hearted joke.

Ugly tradition

With topics such as the conflict between Sunni and Shiite Muslims in East Java’s Madura Island dominating the news, it might seem that religious violence is more prominent than racial insensitivity.

But Sarlito said this was not the case.

The academic said racism existed in Indonesia before religious sectarianism. In Indonesia, one of the earliest large-scale conflicts was the slaughter of thousands of Chinese in Batavia, now Jakarta, in 1740.

Other interethnic clashes include the bloody Sampit conflict in 2001 between the native Dayak people and migrant Madurans in Central Kalimantan.

That many people still shrug off the use of the Nazis’ notoriety as a marketing tool suggests that racial and ethnic insensitivity remains ingrained in Indonesian culture.

Sarlito said a key way to change attitudes is for people to become more aware of history and society, both at home and abroad.

“If we want to increase sensitivity on racial issues, Indonesia needs to look back at history more often, keep reinforcing our Pancasila values and be aware of ideologies and values that can harm the unity of this nation.”

Ignorance of history is also apparent on the homefront. Many Indonesians are oblivious to the bloodshed that afflicted the nation during anti-communist violence in the 1960s, where more than a million people were reportedly killed but few perpetrators were brought to justice.

  • TGIF

    Speechless. European history should also be taught in Indonesian schools. This guy needs to visit Dachau concentration camp near Bonn, Germany. Or better yet visit the holocaust museum in Washington D.C and speak to some of the remaining survivors. And that will probably blow his mind away. Nonetheless, there is always another theme for a business to be successful. How can anyone in the right mind eat a meal while Hitler is starring down on the customers and be waited by SS uniformed waiters…OMG. So wrong.

    • Elang

      Every nation has it’s own history to tell. Indonesian’s history that related with European country dealing with colonization, slavery. Dutch colonization for 3,5 century. And there was invasion from British, Portugal, and Spain. They all came to Indonesian archipelago for its natural resources such as spices. Indonesian people became the victim of war for a very long time. I don’t mean to underestimate holocaust or defend the store owner, but every country has their own painful history. Should Indonesian history also be taught in European school?

      • TGIF

        I don’t believe that Indonesian history should be neglected making ways for European history in the Indonesian education curriculum. I wrote European history should ALSO be a subject taught in Indonesian schools. Indonesia has a great deal of history with Europe through colonization good or bad. However, Indonesian history taught in European schools would not be of significance. The Dutch played a significance role in the colonization of Indonesia therefore the Dutch school would probably make sense to have it. I am not an expert in the Dutch school curriculum to say otherwise.

      • GypsyMacaque

        History are part of our life wether you like it or not.
        I did not know the Dutch committed atrocities when they colonized Indonesia for almost 300 years. I knew it when I started studying in EU.
        History told me that the Dutch pull-out of Indonesia in 1947 under duress of the USA, or, otherwise the USA will abrogate The Marshal Plan.( to finance EU after the 2nd world war).The killing act of 1965 should be taught as part of the Indonesian history.
        YES, EU history should be part of Indonesian curricula, and Indonesian colonial history should be known in EU.

    • stepriverfifty

      So a “tempoe doeloe” Dutch East India cafe with photos of meneers barking orders at Indonesian slaves hanging on the wall is trendy.

      A Nazi cafe is not ?

      Hahaha.

      • KaeL

        Well said, sir. Well said.

    • Paul

      Dachau is near Munich not Bonn

      • TGIF

        I was a kid when I visited Dachau traveling on the autobahn from Bonn in the mid 70′s. Well then it is 30 minutes outside Munich.

    • Shamed Indo

      Were you taught Indonesian history at school? No? Hmmm..

  • lost-and-found

    Only one word for this guy (actually 2, but the first one will be censored)

    idiot.

  • Roland

    Absolutely disgraceful, idiotic and disgusting! Who the heck is the owner of this so called cafe? He should put pictures of the atrocities the Nazis committed on his walls then I am certain he wouldn’t say anymore that he doesn’t find the ideology completely disagreeable (but of course it was mostly Jews – the “common” enemy which had been butchered) and his customers would lose instantly their appetite. Next best thing would be that his staff has to bleach their hair blond and has to wear blue contact lenses and have to march in front of the cafe every Sunday to the sounds of the ‘Horst Wessel Lied’. Because truly, Indonesians do NOT fit into the general picture of being Aryans and would have found themselves probably in a gas chamber for some “cleansing’. (maybe in his cafe the way to the bath rooms is anyhow marked “To the Gas Chambers” – I wouldn’t be surprised with his apparent lack of ethic)

    It is also quite a shame that history is NOT being taught in schools – so people are completely oblivious about the mass murder the Nazis and Hitler committed.

    Maybe next best thing will be then a Pol Pot or Stalin outlet next door!

  • human2

    Total ignorance. It’s appalling that someone would open a cafe with a theme without researching the history and ideology behind that theme. The school system has to take some of the blame but what this guy has done is not only offensive but shows his obviously low intelligence.

    • Roland

      When the owner was researching the topic of his cafe (including the obvious colours black and red as well as the pictures he’s featuring on his walls he MUST have come around photos of concentration camps too – it is nearly impossible not to. So please don’t give me the “I didn’t know” attitude he’s now displaying..

  • Ketchakapeng

    Let’s put this restaurant owner in a concentration camp for a few years and then see if he still finds the Nazis as interesting to emulate. Education in Indonesia is pathetic. That’s why it will remain 3rd world for a long time to come.

    • norewords

      FYI, 3rd world means any country that supports neither west or east block. speaking about pathetic education…

      • junk

        you mean, non-block? is this still on the cold war era? i think berlin wall is already destroyed. or am i dreaming?

  • Guest

    so edgy

    • MadWorld

      Spot on!

  • inandhikara

    what probably had happened in that particular place

  • Euan Mie

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  • Roland

    Asian history IS being taught in schools! At least when I went to school. Probably not as intensive as European history but it was certainly not omitted. This includes what happened in Indonesia, as well as China, India, Malaysia, S’pore, etc.

    • Rikkert

      @Roland: Indonesian history is being taught in Indonesian schools (not much from outside of Indonesia), although I highly doubt the facts around the persecution of so called communists in the 60′s are being taught properly. But TGIF was making a point that European history is not being taught; and I think in general World history (and geography) is not being taught. But on the other hand, in Dutch schools not much is mentioned about the atrocities the Dutch committed in Indonesia (and the world) either; there are problems there also; but at least the people are not clueless about the world. To have a restaurant dedicated to Hitler and the SS is absolutely appalling and shows an utter lack of respect to other Peoples in this world.

  • SocialCoffeeDrinker

    Personally, I had unwittingly been to this cafe and I find the experience uncomfortable. Once I realized my error when I started looking at the decorations of the cafe but had ordered a cup of coffee, I began to had a second thought… I wonder if they might put something nasty inside my coffee. Once I got my coffee, I drank it up quickly, paid for the coffee and left in a hurry (By the way, the coffee isn’t all that great either).

    It been 2-3 years since that experience and I had never gone back and never want to go back. I’ve recommended everyone I know not to go there also and most are remotely interested in even trying out this cafe. There are many cafes in Bandung that have better atmosphere, food and coffee. And as a frequent cafe customer, I see no reason why anyone wants to go to this cafe. I’d recommend anyone reading this comment to bring your business somewhere else. You won’t be disappointed in skipping on this one.

  • smokesound

    well i agree

  • Global mind

    yes, we should teach world history in schools so anything remarkable in Indonesia would be mentioned in the world history school books. Also the crime of genocide committed by the Nazi probably has some uniqueness which make it worth teaching everywhere. It’s the first destruction of human beings on such massive scale and through industrial and systematic means. For those who don’t know, most Jews didn’t die fighting but were simply families, women and children exterminated through forced labor, famine and ultimately gas chambers… 6,000,000 people. If i remember my history classes right, it’s the first ever recorded genocide.

  • Rikkert

    @Elang: your reasoning also shows the lack of education in Indonesia where it comes to using logic to debate issues. You use vague terms like Dutch colonisation, foreign invasions as an argument somehow in favour of the lack of education in Indonesia when it comes to teaching world history; one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The fact that every country in the world has its own painful history also has nothing to do with it. It is a fact that the Indonesian education system is lacking on all fronts: world history, geography, independent thinking and logic, etc, etc.

    • TGIF

      I would not go that far…Indonesian high schools are known to win academic awards in Math and Science competition overseas. It is true that critical thinking is important in the schools to shape the students to be decision makers.

    • stepriverfifty

      Elang’s raised valid argument and all you did was offer ad hominem. Sracth one for critical thinking !
      Dutch colonization, foreign invasions are REAL. They are as real as this country for the sole reason Indonesia was founded was to overthrow foreign yoke from all Dutch East India colonies. But it is definitely not something you or others care about.
      So to put it shortly: Indonesians care about Nazi as much as others, Europeans in particular, care about centuries of Dutch imperialism.

    • http://themescrap.info ts

      simple answer: because we are not European country!… that’s it…

      we must still remember when in school we were taught Asian history, Chinese history, Arabian history, but only a little or perhaps no lesson on the history of European countries. Because the reality is we are live in the so-called Asian continent. I remember the time I went to school, Lesson learned about Europe just when I learned geography, the rest I know only from the Internet or books. I’m not going to blame the education system in Indonesia simply because not teach European history, as countries in Europe were also not taught the history of Indonesia, even Australia the nearest neighbor of Indonesia, only 30% of its people knows that Indonesia is a democratic country.

  • guest

    “Even during the Dutch colonization of Indonesia, many Indonesians were killed. This is also the case with Americans and their bombing of Hiroshima. Why are the Nazis seen as bad guys while those belligerent nations are not?”

    Yeah, at least he has a point.

    • human2

      You obviously no nothing about history. Another product of the Indonesian education system. My advice is look up Nazi Ideology have a look at what Hitler and Nazi Germany had planned for the world. At the same time look up the word Genocide and maybe have a glance at the estimated numbers killed due to the Holocaust (between 4 and 14 million) No one knows for sure but most agree at least 6 million men women and children not killed in battle but gassed to death in concentration camps.
      No one celebrates Hiroshima every history class around the world are told of its horrors. Perhaps not in Indo though eh? Nor do they celebrate the death of Indonesians during the many conflicts Indonesia had.
      There are no words for the ignorance of some people here…. Positively mind boggling.

      • John Grim

        of course not sir, we indon knows nothing sir, please intellectual and historically educated sir, teach us your wisdom.. TEACH USSSS YOUR WISDOMM SIRRRRRR PLEASSEEEE..

        ..pfft

        • human2

          Many Indonesians are shocked and appalled by this and do know their history. I can see intelligent posters on here from all races and backgrounds.
          However I can tell by your attitude you are indeed one of the countless numbers of Indonesians who aren’t prepared to listen to reason or historical facts. Imbeciles can not be taught so i wont try to educate you. I’m guessing perhaps you deny the holocaust and believe it’s all made up? I wish you luck on your journey through life and i am guessing you will need it.
          I actually wonder whether webed would post photos of the piled up bodies, the gold teeth, the hair and glasses of the victims of the holocaust. These images would burn into you mind and even you may learn something….

    • Voxclara

      You are comparing apples to oranges. Casualties in wars or territorial occupation can not be compared to the Nazi’s willful and systematic killings of the Jews. Rather then embarrassing yourself why not just google the subject and read up on history. The Internet is a large university and its FREE!

      • KaeL

        @human2: I’ve looked genocide word in google. And I found not only Nazi did that, but also American frontiers, British colonists, etc. So it’s not really special for Germans.

        Honestly, I don’t see the relation of having a Nazi themed cafe is the same as celebrating Nazi. If that’s the case, then having an asylum themed cafe is the same as celebrating being…insane?

      • KaeL

        @Voxclara by using your logic, that means the killing of the Jews would be considered as casualties of war from the Nazi’s point of view then? Afterall they were in war at that time. If that’s the case, that means neither Nazi or Americans were good people. Afterall they both killed innocent people in the end.

      • guest

        Mass murdering for territiorial occupation or racial reason are still the same howsoever. Are you trying to make a justification for that? Do you think that there were no genocide in Indonesia during imperialist’s colonization here? Visit Museum Fatahillah first in Jakarta kota while you have a picnic, so you can find the very very little example of what my grand grand parents suffered for years. Being jailed in very crowded room that you can’t even sit at all, getting no food or drink for several days untill you sluggishly die, is it less abusive for you?

        Btw, we just accept that as a part of history and we do not continue the hatred of our predecessor since it is a peaceful era nowadays. As the grand grand children of those who fight for a long time, we have no reason to inherit the grudge, just let our predecessor act & decision makes us wiser. Just like what you’ll see in Jakarta Kota nowadays, there are many Indonesian dressed like Dutch meneer, and many dutch theme restaurants too. Look at how Indonesians supporters cheered Arjen Robben when he created a goal at Indonesia vs Netherland match.

        Does it make us look like someone who never learn our own history?

      • Budi

        of course it can.. Jews massacre is not worst than Dutch massacre on Indonesian.. do not expect that we will put some special disapprobation on NAZI more than Dutch colonization.. Even there is no any prohibition against any Dutch symbol, so why should we prohibit any NAZI symbol..

    • MadWorld

      What about opening a cafe with the background & name of let see: Lubang Buaya 1965, or 1million 1965, The Act 1965, Cafe Muhammad and serving alcoholic beverages . of course when commemorating 1965 do not forget the posters as backgrounds, empty villages, forlorn kids, etc etc. or Hiroshima 1945, with the beautiful flashy mushroom cloud .

  • Pelan2

    This come as no surprise, they don’t even know Indonesian History and definitely not World History. More religion and prayers will solve this issue though..

    • anonymous

      How do religion and prayers solve an irrelevant issue? You said it yourself that it’s about Indonesian or World -history-

      • Pelan2

        Are you new to Indonesia / Jakarta Globe???

  • Joe90

    Ignorant twat….

  • weegie-boy

    He even has a Facebook page for it! Double idiot.

  • MadWorld

    When I was in Indonesia, 30% of my teachers were caucasian( presumably dutch), I did not knew then, what the Dutch did for 300 years to monopolize the trade of spices.I knew it when I started to study in EU.
    I knew also why the Dutch colonisation was terminated in 1947, not because the Indonesian( under Soekarno-Hatta) had won the war of Independence, but, because The USA, would withdrew the Marshal Plan ( to finance rebuilding EU, after the 2nd World war) if the Dutch did not pull-out of Indonesia. I watch in horror “the Act of Killing” by J. Oppenheimer the bloody history of Indonesia anno 1965 ! What is being taught in Madrassah is sciencefiction.
    It is disgusting that a Hitler cafe exist & denouncing the holocaust was probably fabricated.
    So ,YES, world’s history should be taught in schools this to produce a wise graduate.

  • Forgetyourself

    Seems to me like the owner is a complete idiot.

  • concern man

    stupid

  • s4msun9

    Great logic there…
    “I’m not personally familiar with the taste of manure, but even if I am, I don’t think I’d find it completely disagreeable… Maybe it’s just a matter of politics.”

  • net troll

    u mad bro?

  • Dirk

    This psychology professor is about par for the course. He probably got that Freudian concept from one of those comic book “for beginners” introductions.
    “The usage of humor actually shows maturity.” No, it shows ignorance and insensitivity. This is not Chris Rock doing stand-up comedy about racial differences, this is a cafe decorated with Nazi memorabilia.

  • german reader

    Obviously he has never been to Europe. He and his cafe are a discrace for Indonesia!

    I offer to pay for his educational visit to Auschwitz camp. After having seen the hair of thousands of prisoners that have been shaved before being gassed he will no longer neglegt the Holocaust. PS Under Nazi understanding Indonesian were considered a minor race, but as working mules/slaves they would be tolerated. It therefore surprized how many Indonesian carry sympathy for such a regime!

  • luuks

    Henry Mulyana is way too dumb it is humiliating. He believes there is no proof that the Nazis is responsible for the genocide of Jews. He needs a history lesson and a trip to Auschwitz!

  • christophe

    I doubt that this guy is totally stupid, maybe he’s insane if he plan to do this to attract attention. The most important of this story is: What is doing the indonesian government? Why they let the shop open, this is the craziest part of the story. In the west the wouldn’t had a chance to open their shop. So I don’t blame the owner, he’s just the result of a very tricky situation. The fact that many customers came in this restaurant shows the total lack of education from the indonesian school sistem. This is the masterpiece of Suharto’s thirty years of dictature. This is a result of a country that leave under the pressure where the free-mind is forbidden. America and Europ are also responsible of that shameful situation. We should be ashamed too that a wonderful country like Indonesia, the home of so many great arts and culture, has no political knowledge because during so many years, it was forbidden to think.

  • Michel

    well this is embarassing for the jewish, and probably to the germany as well. but considering:

    1. nazi is not really a taboo in indonesia (swastika? mein kempf? no problem!)
    2. people here mostly are sunni moslem and they cannot differentiate between israel, jewish, and zionists

    3. indonesia doesn’t have diplomatic relations with israel

    4. there is no strong jewish lobby in indonesia

    5. violence to minority is acceptable these days

    this man simply epitome of complete ignorance. will the government do something? hmm maybe not really. will the moderate moslem going to be angry? maybe yes, maybe not because I know some people who want to blame jewish for everything they do and blah blah blah it’s double standard, etc.

    • Jaring Jurung

      This cafe owner should watch The Act of Killing first. Make a screening in his cafe, and re-decorate his cafe.

      If he can think.

      • quas

        If he can serve good food & drinks, or at least hire people competent enough to do that.

    • GypsyMacaque

      There are probably no yew living in Indonesia, IF, there are, they will keep silent, even their last Synagogue has been demolished lately.

  • Guest

    Gee! I hope “Nazi Goering” is not on the menu! or “Bakso Goeballs” for that matter!

  • Badak Putih

    For sale in Indonesian bookshops, Variety Art Works World’s Masterpieces: Nietzsche, Dante, Goethe, Hitler.

    • Dirk

      It’s not a coincidence that only “Ecce Homo” is available in Indonesian, and it’s only a secondhand translation from English. Indonesian versions of Nietzsche’s real work and an annotated Dante (translated notes no problem) would be nice, but will never happen.

    • Budi

      Indonesia has it’s own law.. if European prohibit every single thing related to NAZI, doesn’t mean we have to do the same.. We Indonesian are not submitted to European..

  • Voxclara

    What an awful human to deny fact and history. What a pathetic human to celebrate the very cause of the sufferings of 6 millions not only men, but also women and children. Mr Mulyana’s dreadful choice of decor has nothing to do with ignorance, but it has everything to do with anti semitism which is so pervasive in all Islamic or Muslim majority country like RI. Just shocking!

    • TGIF

      Vox…Have you taken a closer look at the guy in the picture of this article in question and what do you actually see?? I doubt very much that he is a Muslim and what does it have to do with this article. He has not uttered a word about the connection of his ignorance with Islam and the significance of his restaurant theme. Aren’t you generalizing a bit about the majority of Muslim here connected with anti semitism. Do you know the difference between zionism, semitism and jews as the people?? Just curious…

      • Voxclara

        YES I DID and with a name like Henry, I didn’t think he would be a Muslim. So if you care to read my comment carefully, nowhere did I state nor suggested that he is a Muslim.

        And if you ever bother to read up on Islam, then you would know that anti semitism is rife in the Quran, and this sentiment is extremely pervasive in all Islamic countries. Muslims are taught from an early age to hate the Jews, it’s in the Quran.

        Is it any wonder Henry who was born and bred in a Muslim majority country such as RI displays such disgusting disregard for the Holocaust, the Jews and celebrates Nazism? Indon passport clearly states that it is not valid to travel to Israel and RI doesn’t recognise the state of Israel. What does that tell you? Hope my reply induces you to be more curious to read up more.

        • DanielKaimana

          Now, this is disturbing. You said “Mr Mulyana’s dreadful choice of decor has nothing to do with ignorance,
          but it has everything to do with anti semitism which is so pervasive in
          all Islamic or Muslim majority country like RI” Further you emphasis on “Is it any wonder Henry who was born and bred in a Muslim majority
          country such as RI displays such disgusting disregard for the Holocaust,
          the Jews and celebrates Nazism?” My response: I wonder if America and Europe are Muslim majority countries, but my understanding neo-nazi grows there. The links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism & http://www.americannaziparty.com/about/ Therefore, your proposition: anti-Semitism, celebration of Nazism are linked with countries being majority Muslims, is a flaw. Thus, to be fair, there is a significant growing of Islamophobia in Europe and in US as well. I will not accuse you as Islamophobia. However, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia have a common feature. Their hatred is beyond logic.

    • DanielKaimana

      Totally agree.. It is just beyond comprehension when ppl are so ignorant. I think every “Anti-ism” person must have something wrong deep down in their minds. This one, in the article, Mr. Mulyana, perhaps one of the Anti-Semitism ppl. That is probably the most plausible explanation. Probably. Or simply ignorant. The other “Anti” has been spreading is also Anti-Western which is dangerous. Having said that, it might be fair as well to mention that Islamphobia is equally dangerous and not helpful to promote peace on this earth. By the way, echoing TGIF, I am very much sure, Mr. Mulyana is not a Muslim. I cannot prove but he looks like Ch***se to me (I’m sorry if I am wrong). So, I wonder if you would like to limit your comment to not touching Islam and Muslim in this particular case.

  • antifreeze

    Pure base ignorance which humiliates himself and Indonesia. Let’s hope this is not going to be some sort of trend.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-thailand-hitler-banner-20130715,0,6192572.story

    • Budi

      otherwise, it is a humiliation if Indonesian submit to European pressure to illegalize what is legal.. Indonesian has it’s own law, and operating a NAZI theme decorated cafe is not violated any law in Indonesia.. So it’s totally legal, nothing wrong with it.. European hatred against NAZI is not our business.. Their taboo is not ours

  • TGIF

    How about this story that made headline news in the US. An unintended faux pas made by an anchor woman at the KTVU FOX news for announcing sounding Korean names from a teleprompter in San Francisco. She read the names of the pilot of ASIANA airlines that crashed landed at SFO until they realized afterwards about the gaffe.
    Come on seriously: Captain Sum tin wong, Ho lee fuk, Wey ti lo and Bang ding Ow don’t sound like Korean fake names at all. People may find it funny but at the same time wrong. Journalism without proof reading…Breaking news may be it but proof reading is always a good idea to avoid a misunderstanding. The Airline may sue the TV station for defamation. And the summer Intern at NTSB is fired for givng out the names to a TV station. He may well be a scapegoat for the unfortunate blunder.

    In the case of this business entrepeneur, do your homework first before you get yourself in hot waters and people ending up being critical of the situation. There are suitable themes for a restaurant to attract customers without bringing history and offend many out of ignorance.

    • Dirk

      Glad you brought it up, but I disagree with your characterization of the intern as “a scapegoat for the unfortunate blunder.” The anchorwoman is reading a teleprompter live on television, so we can’t blame her; the intern who confirmed the names must have known they were a joke, plus he/she figured as an intern there was nothing to lose (as in working for free). The people at the TV station who passed the info on were the stupid ones, and for that the station’s owners are being scapegoated with an expensive lawsuit. It appears the NTSB intern is getting away with only losing a “job” rather than being a scapegoat. Notice that the name of the intern has not surfaced, making scapegoating said person impossible.

      • TGIF

        Dirk…the government agency threw him under the bus for that matter without finding the probable cause of this blunder. By the way the anchorwoman’s name did not surface either on any article when this particular raucous came up. Unless you have lived in the Bay Area in California, you would know this particular anchorwoman like I do. Poor woman.

  • Alif Rafik Khan

    You’re too much reading comic book. Henry has said above: “I’m not personally familiar with the [Nazi] ideology, but even if I am,
    I don’t think I’d find it completely disagreeable. For example,
    communism in Indonesia was prohibited, but it’s flourishing in China.
    Maybe it’s just a matter of politics.” But if you’re still disagree, why don’t you have a visit to his cafe and see it for yourself?

    • TGIF

      I don’t get it…No need to visit his cafe even it is out of pure curiosity. I would probably lost my appetite just sitting there.

    • Dirk

      Selamat, you have posted one of the stupidest comments yet on JG. We can “see” the Nazi stuff in the photo above.
      Maybe the Dutch occupation was just a matter of politics. “Politics” there was the owner’s code for, “things I am not equipped intellectually, or even allowed, to think about.”

      • Budi

        but if you open a cafe in Dutch theme, it is not illegal and will not banned.. it is surprising that Indonesia as a third world country can be more mature than European developed countries who can’t move on from the past..

  • iin2

    you know when a little learning is a dangerous thing ….sad

  • Chris Sirias

    Who really cares.We need to finally grow up and focus on real issues.

    • TGIF

      And what would the real issues be…I lost count these days. LOL. It is never a dull moment reading the local news and getting the real truth from reliable sources.

      • Chris Sirias

        Indonesia has nothing to do with Nazi Germany and the stigmas that came out of that. Leave this poor guy alone and try and focus on local corruption. Do they have some overly sensitive Israeli citizens working at the globe?

  • Errol Tornado

    Made history by the winner. For those who do not like this caffe..I just say..dig history correctly. View from the both side.
    ..and..read my advice
    ..PLEASE DON’T SEE Hollywood movie too MUCH.

    • junk

      Yeah, good advice, for everyone including Henry Mulyana himself.

      But for you, please learn some better english. Just an advice.

  • Hosea Aryo Bimo W.N.

    In My Humble Opinion, i think it was better for anyone [even the article writer] to ask Mr Mulyana personally about the reason why he made this Cafe before posting anything. IMHO, if we just comment something as a negative things without knowing the reason or what the point of those thing…we are no better than those so called racist. Beside..it has been said that anyone who is without sin, let him / her throw the first stone and judge

    • Roland

      Hosea – - my grandfather was quite a high ranking SS officer and I remember as a child (he died when I was about 16 of age) his sick rhetoric and also his home well – which was basically a shrine of National Socialism where he occasionally met with other Aryan comrades from the good old time (I met quite a few in my time too). Even my father spoke with certain pride of his time in the Hitler Youth and is until now a senior member of a national student fraternity which until now enjoys fighting and scarring themselves in their past time with sabres to express their manliness.

      I can tell you basically first-hand (3rd generation) how completely crazy and rather evil National Socialism is its purest form is. To glorify or even just to use it in any way as a way to attract attention and of course, as this is a commercial business, to make money is not acceptable and cannot be accepted. No need to further know the reasons. Not knowing about such a dark time in history can NOT be used as a valid excuse. Never!

      • http://exileangelproject.daportfolio.com/ Hosea Aryo Bimo W.N.

        Roland : thank you for your sharing, i appreciate it =).

        I simply wrote it based from the fact that in my humble opinion this article is one sided and in order for us to make a decision or to make a stand, the owner also need to be heard and the reason need to be known….so there is a balancing evidence about a case and we can objectively make a decision free from bias. Whether or not the decision good or bad for the owner is another story as long as he / she have an opportunity to advocate his / her defensive argument based on the solid evidence…isn’t it the right of everyone in this free speech world? =)

        and as i said earlier….. if we just comment something as a negative things without knowing the
        reason or what the point of those thing…we are no better than those
        so called racist…because racist, terrorist, or any bigot out there were like that..”one sided”

        peace be upon you

    • junk

      Good point.

  • mk

    I am very disappointed, angry and ashamed as I read the article. I’m from Indonesia, but I was in Germany. And this the stupidest thing I’ve EVER heard!

  • GermanInSurabaya

    Does Mr Mulyana even remotely consider the fact that he, as a member of the Malay race, would have been considered as a vastly inferior human being in Nazi ideology?

    • TGIF

      German Surabaya, you seemed to be liking this controversial article. Let’s not go furthermore with the race thing, we know that a reminder of the past cannot be forgotten and this business owner regardless of his color or race ought to be ashamed. By the way, German friends of mine have reminded me in the early 90′s after the Berlin Wall came down to avoid places where Nazi skin heads would congregate. I have seen a police car guarding one synagogue in the Eastern part of Berlin. Well this nazi past thing will still not go unnoticed in Germany and many Germans are still shameful of their past. Today, Berlin is very much different and I feel secure to walk around regardless of my race, color, ethnicity or sexual orientation for that matter.

  • Politeia

    Well guys, I cannot blame him too much. How should he know considering the very poor education kids in Indonesia have the doubtful pleasure to enjoy. Actually I hope that sheer ignorance is the reason for this outrageous business idea. It has to be, ‘cos otherwise he would know that his dark skin and the non-aryan features of his face would make him a perfect target of the Nazi ideology (and the actual Neo-Nazis all around Europe).

    What is really outrageous and appalling is 1. that people walk in this “etablissement” and don’t feel uncomfortable and disgusted like SocialCoffeeDrinker, but actually approve this kind of business branding, 2. the government who should know better and shut this “cafe” down immediately but don’t, and 3. a professor of psychology quoted in this article who thinks that using humor to disguise racism shows “maturity”. OMG

    • Firman

      “considering the very poor education kids in Indonesia have the doubtful pleasure to enjoy”.. you denounce Nazism at yet you are racist. please, tell me I’m wrong, and explain about my so called “poor” education.

  • Yohan

    Do not spend your money at this place

  • Stefan Reisener

    I am an German citizen and I really wanted to trough up when I read the article. I also really want to give this guy a history lesson and tell him that Hitler killed Jews even before the war begone. Later I would love to take him to Europe. First I would take him to Russia and tell him how the Germans killed a lot of people over there and did a lot of horrible things. Later would be Berlin on our plan and I would take him on a walk trough the city and show him all of the places where houses got destroyed and people died because of Hitlers war. I would also love to introduce him to my grandma and my grandpa. My grandma had to hide from the Russian soldiers while they rape her friends and my grandpa was a German soldier who lost his best years in war. Sadly they are both already dead so we can not meet them any more.

    My last point would be near to my hometown. I would love to show him a few of the concentration-camps. They have very detail museums and there he could what kind of perfectionists we Germans are – not only when it comes to cars. And if he is still proud of his café after our my little lesson than he definitely need a good doctor for metal disorders.

    Serious – I already saw people with the Hitler-Sign on their motorbikes and I thought well this are lonely idiots who don’t know it better but after I read this I start to see it as a bigger problem. Okay I am German and in Germany you hear everywhere about Hitler and all the horrible things that he has done. We are very sensitive and we even have laws that could bring you in serious problems when you denial the holocaust.

    I don’t ask Indonesia to become like Germany but at least people should be smart enough to know about history before they open an Nazi-café or pin the Hitler-sign on their motorbike.

    • DanielKaimana

      I completely understand you anger Stefan. And I’m sorry to hear that personal story of yours. Peace be upon them.

      Just the last bit of your comment tho, I’d like to apologise in advance but I just want to tell you that Swastika is a symbol related to Hindu and it’s culturally embedded in Bali people life. There are a lot signs of it here. There is even a name of a guest house, Swastika Guest House. I hope it’s okay for you…

      • mauriceg

        Hi Daniel. I am familiar with a Swastika Guest house in Sanur. I feel strange about it, although mainly on behalf of the many tourists who do not know the swastika’s origins, seeing it as a symbol of nazism.
        Asking some Balinese people about the Japanese occupation of Indonesia invokes shrugs of ignorance. No-one told them. Why is that?

        • DanielKaimana

          Mauriceg.. To answer your question, I add the word ‘many’

          “many tourists who do not know the swastika’s origins”
          many “Indonesia invokes shrugs of ignorance”

      • RobetK

        Yup, that’s right! It is Hitler’s idiocy that he adapted the swastika! He tried to prove that the German people were so superior! He even sent an expidition to Tibet to prove that !!
        The swastika is an ancient symbol that Hitler abused..

        Henry Mulyani should be warned that his ignorance may well cause him serious harm, because there are still many people who have very hard feelings about nazi-ism.
        I, for one, will NEVER be seen in his establishment. That’s for sure !

  • DanielKaimana

    Can someone enlighthen me how swastika and Nazi uniform appeared on streets of Athena, Greece just months ago? Is this about politics? I know, different causes than this one in cafe in Bandung but same symbols on air, aren’t they?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101614/Greece-debt-crisis-Greeks-brand-Germans-Nazis-taking-control-economy.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2214972/Angela-Merkel-Athens-Protestors-dress-Nazis-burn-swastikas-throw-rocks-police.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219374/Greece-today-A-Fascist-party-black-shirts-smashing-migrants-homes-Swastikas-streets.html

    But thanks to Stepriverfifty introducing the term ad hominem. It’s a new lesson for me. It explains how some use this way, straying from the arguments, and simply loathing about Indonesian things as if it is something inherently and only in Indonesia. I notice the same way used when talking to some extremists here in real life.

    • Anthony G

      Yes they are the same symbol and uniform but, in Greece, it was used to depict a change made by Germany’s PM as something evil. The changes made to the requirements that need to be fulfilled by Greece before they can have access to monetary aids are seen to be suffocating the already suffocated Greek economy. Hence, this move made by the German PM are seen to be evil and the Greek was trying to draw this notion by applying the symbolism to their posters.

      Whereas, this particular cafe is using the symbol, colours and uniforms for marketing and business purposes as if the whole thing does not represent evil, cruelty and racism. On top of all that, the cafe owner stated that Hitler’s Nazi Germany did not do anything wrong as it happened during the war. War or no war, whichever side you are looking at it, killing millions of people, unarmed men, women and children, based on their race, colours and physical attributes are EVIL and not something to be taken lightly.

      Those that the cafe owner called as ‘belligerent countries’ are those that he needs to say thanks to. If not for the ‘belligerent countries’ stop the war, he would definitely be in one of the gas chamber as his race and physical attributes are not conforming with nazi ideology.

      The term ‘ad hominem’ does not apply here. As for the case of this cafe is pure ignorance coupled with denial.

      • DanielKaimana

        Thank you very much indeed Anthony. But I do apologise if it intrigues further questions. Are you saying that using Swastika and wearing Nazi uniform is justifiable in the case of Greece protesting German MP move? Given the fact that obviously Angela Merkel is not Hitler and there is no whatsoever patronising Hitler in her policy (I assume). Next time, if some group of people are dissatisfied with German’s policy in whatever it is, is it OK to wear Nazi uniform or Swastika to voice disagreement over it?

    • TGIF

      You may have a point however a place like Indonesia would be the last place to exhibit a reminder of an evil chapter in European history. It is worse when it is exploited by people without understanding the history behind it.

      But in any culture or society, there are always people trying to find a scapegoat to blame for their poor economic conditions by portraying superiority and ego with labels, propaganda machines and worse killing innocent lives. A new generation comes along, and that particular chapter in history can never be erased or forgotten.

      • DanielKaimana

        I’m sorry TGIF. I don’t get what you are saying. Would you like to say it differently?

  • scottrose

    He’s lying when he says he doesn’t really know what happened. He knew to collect all of those “decorations,” and his defensive line of argument shouldn’t be believed as sincere by anybody.

  • Samuel Syarif

    another mainstream waves ….but its not big enough to break my opinon about ww11 especially the bad guy that you call nazi….there is no bad guys or good [edit] on that war….if your country so demoncraticly campain about free speech and rights..why dont you guys respect the owner of that cafe please…he had a right anyway…hees
    only colector and a hardcore reenactor for ww11 especially germany and he had right to put any
    things on the wall of the cafe….the matters its only a name of that
    cafe anyway…and there is not pollitical support for any idiology right or left…chest or wings…

    • Freddie SP

      Cieeeee…cieeeee…

  • Samuel Syarif

    hei…..where is my comment go…

  • waterwind

    just an idiot would come up with such idea. He doesn’t have a single clue about Hitler’s ideology. No proof! MY GOD, he said no proof! With all the victims how could he dare said that. Not being taught in school is not a reason. He could read about it in Internet or books. And it’s very rude to the Germans. Do you know how this part of history is a shame for most Germans(except perhaps the neo Nazi)? Not to mention the Hitler’s victims. He should try being in the Konzentrationslager for once.

  • Voxclara

    The Nazis would have gassed him before they did the Jews. Incredible that so many fail to see this irony.

    • TGIF

      Because he may be Chinese Indonesian who may speak the local Sunda dialect….well anyone who is not aryan looking or white for that matter.

  • Johny Grim

    I like horror movies, I collect horror movie and its paraphernalia. Does that makes me a devil worshiper? The “storm troopers” in starwars series draws a lot of its design from WWII german soldier uniform. Does that makes George Lucas a Nazi?

  • yuwonosigit

    By exercising the rights for free speech publicly also means that the owner should be ready to defend it, especially if it offends other people, who happen to have rights too.

    There are tons of other interesting theme for a cafe, why pick this one?

    Since the owner claims to not personally familiar with the Nazi ideology, then I assume he did it just for publicity, which shows how poor his taste is.

    • Shamed Indo

      He did it because he was into WWII Nazi paraphernalia. Sometime you should read between the line, but don’t forget to read the line too, sir

      • yuwonosigit

        In case you failed to read between the lines, my point is picking a controversial theme for a cafe bound to get a negative feedback. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should, especially when it comes to offending people.

        I understand everybody has hobby, but the owner is running a business, and controversy will only hurt him in the long run. Is the money really worth the trouble? Is the hobby really worth standing up for?

        I’d be really appreciate it if the owner himself can respond to these question, after all he’s the one who’s taking risk, and when push comes to shove, his friend/ colleague/ fellow hobbyist will only say “sorry” or “turut prihatin”

    • Budi

      there are tons of interesting theme for a cafe, NAZI theme is an interesting one too.. why not pick that one? feeling offended, expressing dislikeness is okay, but to force people to shut down his business because some people feel offended is wrong.. One more thing, Indonesian law do not forbid NAZI symbol, so it’s legal and nothing wrong with it.. If a bunch of over sensitive European get butthurt, that’s their business..

  • chrisHN

    Well said, if he is ignorant let it be…and you are correct about points 1,2 and 3

  • Riley

    I want to slap that guy. He made ignorant statement about things he doesn’t even understand. It’s insensitive and disgusting.

    • JamesOn

      Who are you daring slap his face? Does make you a super moral cop? You slap him then you walked into jail. Period. Again he have right to do so as long he dont violated the law.

  • KaeL

    Honestly, grow up people and move on! You may think I’m being ignorant or insensitive, but this is just a cafe.

    I get it, it’s a Nazi themed cafe…but so what?! I mean we have Dutch themed cafes or restaurants here and there, yet the Dutch invaded us for centuries. Does anyone care about that? nope.

    Or how about Japanese themed restaurants or cafes? There are more of them in Indonesia. Yet they invaded Indonesia for around 3.5 years, also not to mention they used to be cooperate with Nazi and were as bad as the Nazi back then…infact they might be even crueller than Nazi (remember what they did to China and Korea?). But does anyone complain about it? I don’t think so.

    Also do I dare to mention American themed restaurants or cafes? Americans also did genocide to the Native Americans back in the day. Yet we have their restaurants or cafes everywhere. But does anyone care about it? na-da.

    Is Nazism just going to be this untouchable bogeyman for all time? It’s ridiculous, especially given the rank hypocrisy with how the west approaches communism.

    Personally I say go nuts. I’ve always been of the opinion that the right to freedom of expression must always and in all cases trump the “right” to not be offended. If you’re offended, just don’t go there, ignore it, and move on with your life. Don’t preach to other people about how they shouldn’t enjoy it though.

    P.S: Don’t give me this “learn from history” BS, cos clearly NOTHING was learnt from the holocaust. The world has stood by and done nothing during other genocides plenty of times since, and continue to do so to this day.

    • ditz

      Hey, I’m Indonesian, but I’ve read and thought a lot about world history. I think your analogy is 100% flawed… In that case you should be comparing it with ‘German-themed’ cafes.. yes you can have one complete with all stereotypical German stuff, all servers wearing Dirndls and Lederhosens and whatnots. Heck if they have a nice German beer, I’d have gone down there every week.

      It’s not wrong for example to have a Japanese cafe, but it is plainly poor taste to have a cafe with Hirohito posters everywhere extolling him as a demi-God.

      We do see Dutch themed cafes because like it or not as a former colony our cultural heritage is intertwined at one point of another, but of course we don’t see poster of people commiting Rawagede massacre right?

      Equating German theme and Nazi theme simply shows a lack of comprehension.

      If you read history closely, what makes Nazi crimes more notorious is the fact that they are systematically exterminating a people, way beyond the normal casualties brought by war elsewhere.

    • quas

      “I get it, it’s a Nazi themed cafe…but so what?! I mean we have Dutch themed cafes or restaurants here and there, yet the Dutch invaded us for centuries. Does anyone care about that? nope.”

      So you are saying that we actually have a cafe here that have waiters dressed in Dutch soldier uniforms and wall decoration pictures of the Dutch generals who were personally responsible for the murder and pillage of Indonesian villagers?

      “Or how about Japanese themed restaurants or cafes?”

      And you are saying that a Japanese sushi bar adorned with Japanese characters and bamboo motifs is the same as something decorated to look like a military /secret police prison camp where they torture Indonesian civilians complete with all the torture devices and replicas of tortured bodies?

      “Personally I say go nuts. I’ve always been of the opinion that the right to freedom of expression must always and in all cases trump the “right” to not be offended.”

      While I believe in the freedom of expression, it is important that deliberately provocative acts are not allowed. For example, would you agree if someone distribute private pictures of you without your permission? (That’s the least provocative thing I can type here, mind you.)

    • yuwonosigit

      Freedom of expression borders on other people’s rights. In my opinion you can say/ do anything you want as long as it’s not against the law, but you must also prepare to defend it from those you happened to offend.

      Otherwise, just enjoy your life/ hobby quietly.

  • Jaring Jurung

    This happens because people like him doesn’t learn history at all. Not world history. Not Indonesian history. Doesn’t even know a word like, “genocide.”

    His cafe should organize “The Act of Killing” screening for a start.

  • Julian

    all i can read is “dumb”, “idiotic”, “stupid” , i don’t think i’ve ever seen so much Butthhurt on internet before, LOL. making an assumption based on moral bias does not necessary make an intelligent observation apparently, maybe little closer to prejudice.

    #1: BUTTHURT
    QUESTION: what’s with this major Butthurt over what Hitla and the Nazis did 7 billion years ago? when genocide hasn’t really all stopped happening in this world, has it? what’s the difference between 6 mil, and 600k, and 6000? the fact of the matter is, what the Nazis did was NOT WORSE than the Serbs did, Not worse than what NATO did to Afghans and Iraqis since 2001. people murdered. PERIOD. unless you’re saying that a life of a jew is more precious than a life of let say a Bosnian, or Arab?

    there are plenty current global Genocidal situations grim enough deserve your enthusiastic moral bias rather than a lingering nostalgia, FAIL!

    #2: RACISM
    How about when FIFA fined Real Zaragoza for failling to contain act of Racism and Hatred shown by the fans towards Inter’s Samuel Eto’o? How about when FIFA fined Spain ex-coach Louis Aragones for saying “Thierry Henry a NIGGER” ?. Racism still very much practiced, and apparently has nothing to do with Nazim, is it?

    #3: RACIAL PURITY
    How about Indian parents, or Arab parents, or Jewish parents that still strongly against inter-racial marriages and insist on their daughters to marry a chap with same racial background? How about that for a Racial Purity Act? Not even frowned upon when clearly still in the same vicinity with Nazi ideology.

    #4: ARYAN MASTER RACE
    when are you people going to start really educating yourself with REAL HISTORY. There’s no such thing as Genetic Aryan, or Genetic Master Race. it was a CONCEPT. it was simply Hitla trying to convince the Germans that they were better, stronger and smarter. it was all in the mind.

    go read:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

    nothing more than an ULTRA NATIONALIST ideology, by which i think should be cultivated and encouraged by any world leaders to their nations. all men are born equal are we not?

    but all I see here is CONDESCENDING comments clearly patronizing Asians for investing in an idea which apparently many of you think is WAAAY too superior to grasp. as if you’re saying that Asians are unworthy. or are you implying that the Nazis (Europeans) ARE racially superior than Asians?

    so who’s the RACIST??

    #5: CONCLUSION
    So when Genocide still very much at large
    When Racism still very much practiced
    When Racial Purity still very much accepted by the Norms
    What’s with this Sentimentil Nostalgia Butthurt??

  • Androgynou

    You know what? I am Indonesian and I have a friend (he’s Indonesian too) who proudly took a picture in front of this cafe and he’s a big fan of Nazi. He got an SS jacket with a pin of Nazi’s cross, I don’t know where he bought it, maybe the cafe sell some Nazi memorabilia/merchandise. My friend is very proud of his fondness of Nazi, he’s totally a racist to the black people (he hates them so much. He said that black people are lower than cockroaches), but in the same time, he’s a fan of the state of Israel too. I don’t know how that irony goes inside his mind. I always say to him that Nazi are monsters but eventually he always laughs and tell me and my friends that Nazi are cool human beings, he likes their style, their patriotism, their brotherhood, etc. From what I can see, his fondness is actually a fetish, clouded by ignorance.

  • Liberty

    Israel with US are killing million of Palestinian. And US with his dog British also kliing Iraqi’s and Afgani people, torture them in Gitmo. The US, Israel, UK are equally same with modern Hitler, dont they? Better you ppl open the eyes. You said Hitler worst in the past war, but you blinfolded your eyes for what happened now. The resto owner has a right to do so, its not against any law. He also have a right picking any theme for his resto, his own money, freedom of choice, so does with any person who happily visit the resto

    • Natasha

      Killing a million Palestinian? Really? Then how is it possible that the Palestinian population is among the fastest growing on earth? A general sign of genocide is that the number of people becomes less, not more in great quantities.

    • Wong Edan

      “Israel with US are killing million of Palestinian.”. Let me help you here. “million” = “juta”. Perhaps you didn’t know that. Surely you don’t believe they are killing millions? Really?

  • Longgena Ginting

    What an ignorant guy! Somebody please bring this guy to concentration camps in Germany and Russia.

  • Good,Bad and Ugly

    This is the perfect example where the law defines this action as an action which causes civil unrest and hatred.
    Arrest this piece of pig dung before some vigilante can justify taking the law into his own hands and burning his café and house down.

  • elaborateruse

    As an Indonesian I can confirm that the majority of us are ignorant of lots of things it’s not even funny anymore. Also, history isn’t really taught in schools, unless you can count memorizing historical dates as an education. Also communists are evil. And the Illuminati and Freemasons are part of the Zionist Jews’ scheme to control our minds.

    Hitler and the Holocaust doesn’t really hold any meaning here. I even think the younger people are already oblivious of the horrors the Japanese brought here back in the 40s.

  • Maca

    Why so many negative comments?
    It ‘s just another demonstration that Indonesians are the most ignorant in the world.
    And the saddest thing is that some of them are wealthy and can afford to open their own business.
    Very dangerous combination.

    • Shamed Indo

      I’m sorry.. Indonesian? Ignorant? The most? You mean all of us? Did you really really really know all of us here in Indonesia? Who are you to generalize sir?

    • TGIF

      Maca…Your generalization toward Indonesians show a great deal of insecurity and ignorance. Get a life.

  • tiffydude

    Adolf would have had a field day here in Indonesia… oh the Irony

    • Pelan2

      If Adolf was here there would most likely on be expats left here.. fascinating thought.. pass that on to the cafe owner…

  • Fanelli

    “A restaurant in Bandung’s adoption of a Nazi theme has sparked debate on Indonesians’ seemingly relaxed attitude to offensive symbols, with sources of blame ranging from ignorance of history to a cultural tradition of jokes.”

    This is such lazy thinking. Really? The reason is because indonesians have a tradition of jokes? Let me criticize islam and see how deep the indonesian sense of humor is.

    • John Grim

      well if you criticize a moderate and intellectual muslim , you should be careful. It might shatter your view of the “barbaric indonesian muslim” archetype and you’d might end up falling in love with one. I mean, who knew, right? *shrugs*

    • Firman

      islam had been criticize since its birth. That goes also in indonesia, where people freely speaks his/her opinion about islam. Here we have the conservatives and the liberals, who constantly debating their view about islam. violent occurs when politics gets involved. That guy who makes nazi themed cafe is just seeking for something that boost publicity. Many indonesian who happens to “like” NAZI are just a fan of cool military stuff, since the NAZI have a unique and well design uniform and so with their military weapons… its just about that. this article is getting the wrong picture..

  • David Bailey

    If the owner really wants to make us laugh, hang Soeharto’s handsome face next to Hitler’s & complete the commentary – you know, for all of us who just don’t get it.

  • Voxclara

    I think you miss the point. Mr Mulyana has in fact expressed his opinion and gave his reason in the report above. He even said the holocaust might not have taken place. There is a clear distinction between right and wrong in what his choice and stance are. Perhaps you should question your own value instead of criticising those who express their opinions here.

    • http://exileangelproject.daportfolio.com/ Hosea Aryo Bimo W.N.

      then i will simply check his statement again [check his evidence, validate the evidence, check the reliability of the source etc, etc] before i make my decision =D…minimizing bias that is, simply put

  • Deddy K.

    So out of mild curiosity, as it isn’t against the law, I can create a Jewish Themed restaurant And called it “Gitmo.” with dranos, star of david and other Israeli items (including perhaps a map of that area where Palestine is not shown?) Offensive no? oh I forgot offensive to non muslims, then “He also have a right picking any theme for his resto, his own money, freedom of choice, so does with any person who happily visit the resto.” Now if it was offensive to muslims, then as your minister of Islamic affairs says, “Freedom has it’s limits….(paraphrasing)”
    I like the double standards.

    Although it amuses me that the Japanese were the ones that came here to do what Hitler was doing to in his part of the world, and they were doing a bang up job of using similar protocols of mass murders, rape, subjugation and terror, and I can’t believe we have forgotten.
    Yes yes, heard your justification for every violent act by Islamic people in Indonesia a billion times. The Zionist, American, European World domination machine is killing Zillions of Muslims through out the world (although I think Islamic Terrorists within Islamic majority countries are doing their very best to have a greater kill counter on killing Islamic people than the imaginary Death count by the West Conspiracy you are led to believe by your imam.)
    It always wierds me out that people such as Liberty, tempted by the poison of Radicalism don’t you know instead of going to conspiracy theories, open the internet and read about the Holocaust, Read world history, hey read about the Japanese Occupation of Indonesia. Information is out there. as you say Better you open the eyes….. hahahaha

  • genesius adrian

    I’d say audacious. I’m sure the guy understands what he’s doing, and he knows how Indonesians will react to this. Either with ignorance or mild criticism. Just audacious.

  • http://al-terity.blogspot.com/ Alterity

    This cafe is promoting an ideology of racial superiority – extreme fascism – which would have no qualms about wiping out “inferior people’s” like Indonesians. If you want to make an interesting theme cafe, aren’t there many better alternatives?

  • ekko

    History is always written by the winners (and hollywood’s film maker). Mr Henry just wanted to invite us to see the (history of) war from different side. In my opinion, Soldaten Kaffe does not persuade people to hate or to fight the others. In fact, we can learn a lot of history. Perceptions and conclusions depend on our point of view. Mr Henry, move on. You’re the special one.

  • ekko

    Have you ever heard “Reenactment”?

    • John Grim

      nope, but I do cosplay :)))

      • human2

        Why does that not surprise me

  • D Samodra

    ah you ain’t racist!, yes you’re just stupid. using that symbol just make you look more stupid. I know you might think its only a symbol and when you stuck it in your Cafe business you look different then will earn some money…what a shame!

  • Emma

    What astounds me from the article above is that Henry Mulyana even says that he doesn’t know much about Nazi ideology! Is he too lazy to learn something about it? There’s no shortage of web sites for information these days. He seems to feel no embarrassment about his own ignorance, and he even goes on to make comparisons to other national groups (about which he is equally as uninformed). As another reader noted, he conveys ignorance plus arrogance–a bad mixture which produces a state of “cluelessness.” This guy has assumed a posture that he considers a “cool,” cutting edge style. But he has it all wrong. It’s devoid of substance and he doesn’t seem to even care about the history and meaning of all this “paraphernalia.” He’s oblivious. And very immature. He’s like a kid playing “war” with plastic guns and a fake army uniform. It’s sad to see the other young people taking part in this. I am shocked to see such ignorance about history and the rest of the world. This does not bode well for Indonesia’s future. If only Henry knew how stupid he looks and sounds to readers from “the outside world.” Pathetic.

    • John Grim

      Oh, so you decide what is substance and what is not for every individual on this planet? Well how about esthetic? How about..umm.. childhood memories? How about other million thousand other reason that you and me both can’t even guess? No? So how does it feel being right all the time? Tell me?

    • MadWorld

      Because IF he admits to know the history of Nazism, he could be complicit to incite hatred or extreme right ideology or fascism. His idea is to act as a moron and earn money.

  • MikeOfAston

    Edifying to read the comments here, especially to compare and contrast the comments of local posters with those of German expatriates (as they identify themselves). All the German expatriates denounce both what the café depicts and their country’s Nazi period in the strongest terms. They fully admit holocaust a great wrong never to be repeated. On the other hand there are local posters who try to downplay the café Nazi décor and waiters, few even take the typical stance of foreigners’ bad mouthing Indonesia.

    The greatness of a nation and its people is partly in the ability to admit past mistakes and take corrective efforts to avoid their recurrence. This is what Germany has long done. This is not what Indonesia has done, and the comments from such local posters are reflective of the attitude. Until today the mass murder of supposed communist supporters in 1965 and that of the Chinese and Trisakti university students in 1998, despite Komnas HAM, remain unresolved dark patches.

    • BonChon

      Stupid generalization by stupid expat. Just because Henry likes Nazi symbol, that doesn’t mean that all Indonesian think the same way as him!

      • DanielKaimana

        Yes, I don’t know why some tend to have a strong assumption that we fully agree on Henry’s action. I think most of us condemn Henry’s using Nazi symbols, but why are we Indonesian considered just another Henry by those (perhaps) expats??? I noticed some tried to broad the discussion into wider perspectives. But instead of discussing the points, the easy response appeared is loathing on Indonesia. I wonder if Indonesia has been long considered as a single entity and simply all alike. It’s dangerous, isn’t it?

      • MikeOfAston

        See my reply to you above.

    • BonChon

      FYI, Neo Nazi is exist in numerous countries including US and Germany. So much for greatness of a nation !

      There will always be crazy people in every corner of the world.
      Stop generalizing !

      • MikeOfAston

        You read me wrong. I was comparing two national scenarios. One scenario Germany has long ago formally apologized for the holocaust and in addition paid billions of dollars to Israel and Israelis – just google, the links too numerous for me to put here. Second scenario Indonesia has never formally apologised for the massacres in 1965/66 and 1998 (the latter include loved ones of many Chinese families still alive today) despite various recommendations to do so by Komnas HAM. Hence my statement the “greatness of a nation….”. Stupid generalization by stupid Indonesian.

        • BonChon

          Despite formal apologizes, there’s still a bunch of people in Germany who likes to describes themselves as Neo Nazi.

          Does it mean all German are Nazis?

          • MikeOfAston

            Yes there are the crazy ones everywhere and if they strut around in goose step in their own room who cares but the moment they implicate the public like adorning a cafe with Nazi paraphernalia and waiters in SS uniform they are crossing the line. Refrain from arguing just to score a verbal victory chum, argue for truth please.

    • Guest

      The patches weren’t that dark after 1998. And yes, some of you expat commentators did bad mouth Indonesia. Read it yourself

  • yudha

    “Henry claimed there was no proof the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust,”

    dude, I believe there is wi-fi connection in your cafe, right? well, use it!!! browse the internet, and you will find gazillions of proof.

    • Shamed Indo

      Oh yes, its on the internet. Surely its an absolute truth, right?

      • human2

        Shamed u are the shame of Indonesia. You can’t string a sentence together that has any weight to it whatsoever. If you are in denial of the holocaust you are indeed uneducated. The concentration camps existed, the evidence is staggering and even more staggering is your lack of general knowledge and your blind defense of the indefensible.

        • John Grim

          read above sourpuss

      • DD

        I was there (during the war not at Austwich etc) Shamed – I can 100% guarantee it was real, I lost several family member including my father – My wife was here Shamed – she too can tell you it was real

        • Shamed Indo

          I’m sorry about your loss. But again, my sarcasm was directed at the usage of internet as a paragon of truth, not to deny the existence of the holocaust

  • goose step

    Does anyone fail to know that the nazi party wanted to take over the world with extreme facism ? Apart from the ridiculous claim that ‘there was no proof that The nazis were behind the holocaust’ wake up ! It was clearly them. If they had won the war, Indonesia would have been slaves to the Japanese and Germans! Who knows what else that extreme facism would have created. Unfortunately, this stupid Resto owner only appears to be a fan of the clothing, style and ‘cult’ unity

  • Julian

    seeing all the comments posted here, couldn’t help myself to feel sorry seeing so many indonesians are sounding more annoyed than their expat counterparts.

    with the fact that most likely NONE of them has no relatives or family members affected directly OR indirectly by the Holocaust, don’t know anyone / don’t have any neighbor that has had relatives / famili members victimized by the Nazis

    yet they’re sounding as if they were in the fore front of having such experience. which i think a tad sad and pathetic to say the least. making a judgement call based on that iny winy tiny little knowledge about Nazi that they’re aquired from Schindler’s List or Wikipedia :-)

    How many Dutch Colonial theme Cafe there are running in Jakarta or Bandung, eg.Indischetafel Cafe. NONE of you have ever raised your discontent, WHY? Because it’s not okay if the Nazis had murdered the Jews, but it’s okay if the Dutch murdered your fellow Indonesians?

    are you in a way implying that a life of a jew is more valuable than a life of an Indonesian? so that you are getting MAJOR BUTTHURT over a Nazi theme Cafe, but you are perfectly okay with Dutch Colonial Cafe?

    just to show the kind of comments i’ve been seing here, nothing less than a narrow-minded one-sidedness antipathy dan bigotry, with intelligent making a tiny portion of it. SICK.

    • firman

      you my friend, have a better opinion than the others who forgot the act of genocide done by the Dutch

  • Guess123
  • JohnnyCool

    How about a PolPot Cafe as part of the franchise?

  • quas

    What comes to mind is that the food and drinks sold probably sucks and the cafe owner has to resort to a cheap gimmick to create a controversy in the hope that it would entice curious visitors.

  • Sam Man

    The only way he would have got the rubbish “there was no proof the Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust” is from the known terrorist and anti everything that his boss doesn’t own or agree with, Ahmadinejad. Additionally, if he believes that rubbish from that terrorist why is he selling booze. I think this guy is so mixed up in his head he could be a very dangerous person (SICK).

  • dicky

    Of course, if
    it was by chance something sensitive to Indonesians, the place would have been
    smashed up already. Lets see, what about the Asian Holocaust, the war atrocities supposedly committed by the Japanese during WW2. Is there really any proof that the Japanese Imperial Army slaughtered 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, and at least 23 million of them ethnic
    Chinese? I don’t think so. Lets have a themed café were the staff are dressed up as Jap soldiers and on the walls are pictures of Chinese prisoners buried alive, soldiers using humans as target practice, and young girls, having been raped, being used for bayonet practice, all fakes of course.

    That should bring in the punters.

  • Sam Man

    He must be appealing to the fanatics in Bandung who hate the Jews but love the booze.

    • Firman

      i smell racism in your comment… yes racism is strong in this one

  • Henk

    I often pass by that place and it doesn’t get that many visitors really. All this article does is give him a lot of publicity, negative or positive it’s all good for him…

    When I first came here, almost 17 years ago I was often shocked, many young people wearing t-shirts with Adolf Hitlers picture on it, many, many GERMAN swastikas… Even now you can still buy huge posters here of Hitler speaking (foaming at the mouth) at the Reichstag….. They have no idea, it doesn’t mean anything to them, they have no or only a very vague idea of who Hitler was and what he stood for. They might come up with the “he killed many jews he did” like that’s some how a good thing….

    When I say, and what if I would open up a PKI cafe? with lots of pictures of Lenin, Marx and Aidit? How long would that cafe exist? Well,you wouldn’t even be allowed to open!!! is what they’ll say :)….

    If I would open up a PKI cafe back home, in Holland, would many people be offended?

    I understand why this cafe offends many people, many of the posters here, my family suffered heavily during World War II,my grandfather was one of the Black Devils of Rotterdam, but after living in Indonesia for the past 17 years, this cafe made me laugh rather than make me angry, and I think that expats who have lived here long enough would probably feel the same way….

  • marco

    I think it’s just an emotional opinion. He should learn more about it

  • Shamed Indo

    “The greatness of a nation and its people is partly in the ability to
    admit past mistakes and take corrective efforts to avoid their
    recurrence”

    Easy for you to say. Hitler been long gone dead for YEARS. Nazis has been hunted, tried, and executed while the party itself disbanded. The Cendana clan and their thugs, on the other hand, are alive and well. Especially after 1998, a lot of us do admit what was done in our nation’s past. The “patch” you mentioned wasn’t that dark. We knew who did what and what has happened. We also knew about the back dealings of companies such as Freeport and corrupt officials such as Ibnu Sutowo. Let me ask you this, good sir. Of what nationality are you? American? English? Dig around a little, maybe your hands weren’t as clean as you thought.

    Anyways, my point is this; maybe you “expats” shouldn’t act so high and mighty yourself, being over sensitive to dumbasses prancing around their little cosplay cafe, then judge and condescent the WHOLE country for it. In my book, that’s even worse

    • MikeOfAston

      See my reply to BonChon below.

  • Shamed Indo

    So you got mad because your country’s history wasn’t taught at our local school? Did they teach Indonesian history at yours?

    • Barista

      So no prob if I open a Timorese Genocide Cafe in London then?

      • BonChon

        Knock yourself out…

        • Hunri a

          touchy? the TNI massacred 20-25% of East Timorese – bet they dont teach you that at school

          • BonChon

            US and Israel Massacred children and babies in Middle east. – Bet they don’t teach you that at school.

          • John Grim

            I learned it first hand. I’ve worked on several jobs there, translating documents about human rights abuse. Not to defend the TNI, but there were several points that you should know about the Indonesian intervention in Timor Leste:

            a. Due to the western block fear of “communism” raging in south east asia post vietnam war, the western governments were actually supporting the Indonesian occupation; The Fretilin, which was the winning party at what was supposed to be an internal conflict, were bit too “lefty”.There are proof that Indonesian army was using US supplied arsenal, such as the North American Rockwell OV-10 Bronco (specifically designed for counter-insurgency). Also, the usage of Napalm B ( which was becoming the intrinsic element of U.S. military action during the Vietnam War) was recorded

            b. The violence against civilians were not the monopoly of the Indonesian army; Interviews with victims revealed that both party was to blame for the events that occurred between 1974-1999. FYI, Indonesian occupation of Timor-Leste started on December 1975. So where do you get your numbers, really?

    • DD

      @Shamed

      WW2 and Hitler was a global event – the most far reaching event of the 20C, a period that redefined the shape of the world, refined ideologies and redefined Indonesia… Maybe a cursory mention could have been expected yes. Oh and yes I learned some East Indies history at school.

      However let me say I am not offended by the cafe, I am far more offended by groups like the FPI and many within DPR and individuals here who rape our nation for god

      The cafe owner is looking to make a $ – I have no issues with that. If I was offended by such trivia then that aligns me with many Muslims here who scream offense at just about anything

      BTW – I lived through WW2 and it was not a fun time.

  • Shamed Indo

    exactly, all lined up next to mcdonalds

  • Voxclara

    Yes it is disturbing because like TGIF, you clearly misconstrued what I said.

    FACTS: Quran is full of anti semitism. Muslims hate Jews. Nazis hate Jews.
    The founder of Islam hated and despised the Jews. Your argument holds no water, it’s flawed. Regardless of where Nazism is linked to, the glaring fact is that in those countries you mentioned, there is hardly any anti semitism, where as in every Islamic country, from the Mid East to Pakistan to RI anti semitism is encouraged, it’s alive, it’s virulent, and it’s institutionalised.

    Islamophobic is the hatred and irrational fear of Islam. I am neither. As a woman, I object to the way women are portrayed and treated in Islam. For instance, a woman testimony is worth half that of a man, a man inheritance is double that of a woman. If a woman is raped she must produce 4 witnesses or she will be charged with adultery and killed. There are a lot more objectionable and even horrendous verses against women and non Muslims. Calling someone islamophobic for merely presenting facts about Islam is another flawed logic.

    If there is significant islamophobia in the US and Europe, why there is hardly any backlash against Muslims after the Boston marathon bombing and the beheading of Lee Rigby or the vicious stabbing of a French security force in Paris a few days after the beheading? Your argument is flawed on every count and the only hatred is aimed towards non Muslims by those who follow the command of the Quran.

    • Shamed Indo

      “it said so in the Quran”

      So by being a muslim a person would automatically hate a jew? well this guy didn’t http://www.bmf.org/iswp/editors.html

    • DanielKaimana

      Dear Voxclara.. I always believe that there is a danger in making generalisation. That’s the point. How can I misconstrued what you said when you keep repeating yourself the same message? You linked Henry’s ignorance and stupidity, to Indonesia, as Muslim majority country. You made Henry as a representation of the whole Indonesian ppl and then building the link to whatever you judge about Islam is. How on earth could you make that syllogism? If I found an American, for instance, racist to a Muslim, is it justifiable to make a conclusion that the guy is racist simply because mostly American are Christians and hate Muslims? The point, again and again, is making a generalisation can lead you in dark ages. Hatred is rooted in this way of thinking (making an easy generalisation). Racial hatred rooted from here. Nazism also holds this way of thinking, all Jews are all alike. They are just numbers. Again, that is my point. Now, about your judgement about Muslims and Islam, it is up to you my friend. I am not in the position to refute or agree on your judgements about Islam. I am not a Muslim and I don’t hate Islam. However, based on my personal experience, I know what it is like to live in both communities, either dominantly be Muslims or Christians. In Indonesia context, I always believe that we are always brothers and sisters, a big family, regardless different religions and views are. Have you heard saying “Katong Samua Basudara”? So, thanks to Pancasila. Now, about the Islamophobia. I don’t know where you live, but in case of England, I don’t think you have an idea what is going on my friend… So, yeah,..Peace on Earth and Peace in Heaven, Amen…

      • Voxclara

        My reply to you was removed after it was published. It seems JG forbids certain topics, shame really. Syllogism? And why not? Since you can’t be bothered to find out the truth about Islam and the Jews then your entire argument is not credible. If you have bothered to do a bit of googling you will know I don’t judge Islam. I just repeat what’s in their scriptures, that’s not judging. But you are judging me, talk about double standard.

        Generalising? Aren’t you doing it to me? How do you know I don’t know much about the UK? Do you know there are hundreds of Sharia courts and no go zones policed by Islamic thugs there? Oh if you feel so strongly about Pancasila and peace on earth why don’t you spearheading a move to counter against the thuggish FPI? Afterall, you are all brothers right? Let’s see how far you could go.

        • DanielKaimana

          Yes Voxclara.. We were and in still in to some degree are peaceful society.. Harmonious and forgiving…

  • Voxclara

    A Chinese can be Muslim too, so what’s your point? This report is about anti semitism, Islam is anti Semite so what’s your point?

  • Shamed Indo

    Oh so the cafe had posters that depicted sadism and barbaric act inside? Or is it inside your head?

    • DrDez

      Shamed
      When I see a picture of an SS Trooper or Hitler then consciously and subconsciously I make the link to genocide, mass murder, war and slaughter. It upsets me, reminds me of dark times and personal loss
      Had you been taught this at school or seen it first hand then perhaps you would also make the link, perhaps not.
      An analogy –
      When many Indonesians see a painting of a near naked women they automatically go on the porn/debauchery/deviance thrust. This extends to so many things in Indonesia.
      They are offended – often resulting in riots/killing/destruction
      (Religio pacis mitterent occidere)
      I see a work of art and yet they see deviance – Is that inside their heads or real?
      This is just like the images of Hitler for many people who have an ounce of understanding of what the man did
      Perhaps that is why you fail to understand why so many people are upset with this, I hope the analogy helped.

      • BonChon

        Dez,

        So what about those colonial themed cafes such as Cafe Batavia? To some extent , It is also related to mass killing by the Dutch and bring back horrible memories.

        Why do you and other “expats” keep silent all this time?

        • DD

          First I am an Indonesian citizen Bon of European origin and I lived through WW2, my father, the original Dr Dezmond and several other family members however did not, thanks to the Nazis.

          My Indonesian wife I met in Paris in 1962 and we came here in 1969. These days we spend most of our life travelling especially to follow great sporting events. I point this out to explain my current silence because I’m in the UK watching the ashes.

          What is your excuse regarding your silence on Indonesian abuses over the last 68 years?

          I cannot comment on Cafe Batavia since I have never been there however if it glorifies past colonial horrors then I would not go there and would condemn it outright.
          Does it glorify Dutch abuses Bon or is it a collection of art as one might find at a museum? I have just asked my wife and that is what she suggests Cafe Batavia is.

          I do not know, but I suggest CB and the Nazi Cafe are chalk and cheese and you are just trying to be smart.

          As for this cafe I am far more offended by the DPR and groups like the FPI – he might be a racist but more than likely he is an opportunist. I happen to like ancient dayak art and have quite a collection of masks and carvings but that does not make me a head hunter? No

          • BonChon

            ” I happen to like ancient dayak art and have quite a collection of masks and carvings but that does not make me a head hunter? No”

            Good… tell it to your stupid expat friends in JG and ask them to chill a bit.

            “What is your excuse regarding your silence on Indonesian abuses over the last 68 years?”

            I can ask you the exact same question especially given the fact that i am much younger than you are.

        • GypsyMacaque

          It’s the association of the name and the theme, the paraphernalia that incite sick or hatred feeling. The name cafe Berlin, cafe Tokyo or even Cafe Batavia, did not conjured up atrocities of the jap, the german in WW 2 or the dutch .
          A name Cafe Mecca means nothing, but, if you serves babi panggang, alcoholic beverages, and waitresses in bikini, you will created havoc .
          I am an Expat.

  • GypsyMacaque

    History is based on facts, and it makes part of our life wether we like it or not.
    We should know what really happened and why, the truth.
    A great nation recognize its past & dealt with it.
    Recently in Bangladesh a tribunal was founded to deal with the history linked to a mass murder of millions during the independence movement of bangladesh from Pakistan ( or India?);
    The perpetrators was sentenced accordingly.
    Indonesia try to bury the killings of at least 500.000 people into a non-historical event.
    Well what’s is in a name , you may say.
    A Nazi theme-kitsch cafe in Bandung.
    What about , a kitsch cafe named Muhammad, that sells al-kuhl ( alcohol) or cafe Lubang Buaya 65, or Cafe Hiroshima 45, with the bright mushroom cloud and all the needed paraphernalia.
    A cafe should offered tranquility, cozy, with appropriate music in the back ground, but, not with Hitler voice or war crime noises.

  • Mikon

    Next time go for pol pot regime theme. You are ignorant of historical facts. It shows. You think hitler would have spared your rce had you lived in Nazi Germany? You sure are ignorant.

    • Firman

      well, if i was a moslem living in iraq or afgan, BUSH surely will genocide my entire family… Hitler is moron who thought he could beat the whole world and thus started a war. BUSH is nothing different.. so then, why american troops themed cafe and resto still consider acceptable? i see double standard here,

      • TalkingEid

        check the dictionary before using words like ‘genocide’ please.

        • japeth didnt do it

          this is jakartaglobe, you work as english teacher is another different story, jakartan said: gak nyambung

      • Wong Edan

        er… this simply makes no sense.

  • Shamed Indo

    @yuwonosigit:disqus look, some people were into wayang, others were into rambo, while this guy were into nazi paraphernalia. Is he a nazi? Nope. Is he an antisemit? Didn’t seem like it. Does he gave stupid answers? ABSOLUTELY. But what one person got from something isn’t always what another gets from it. One man’s punk is another man’s pop they say. Now, about controversy.. lets see who’s stirring it.. well whaddaya know.. its THE PRESS.. did he or didn’t he created the controversy? Well he isn’t the one who published a biased article isn’t it? Who knows, maybe he really did this just because he thought that “hey, I like WWII german army paraphernalia, and my friends too, and I have the money, might as well do a cafe based on this for me & my friend to hang out with”. Stupid perhaps, vile? NOT automatically. Hanlon’s razor at work

    • yuwonosigit

      that’s why I’d prefer if the owner himself to clarify this, because no matter what you say, you can only assume just like me. Unless you’re Henry Mulyana himself.

      So I’ll just have to stop this debate with you, and let’s see how long this cafe will last as a business establishment, because I honestly think he picked the wrong business model. cheerio.

    • yuwonosigit

      ..just want to add, the debate about this cafe originated from facebook a couple of weeks ago, I guess someone there tipped the JG reporter to make this article.

    • Voxclara

      You are talking about freedom of expression and speech. Unfortunately this freedom also comes with responsibility. To say the holocaust wasn’t caused by the Nazis is repugnant! To glorify the very cause of the death of 6 millions men women and children is beyond words. Wayang doesn’t cause murder and Rambo is fiction. The holocaust and Nazism are fact and event that actually took place, 6 millions Jews systematically gassed to death is fact.

      Compare if you like using the G30S and pictures of the murdered generals in Lubang Buaya and other paraphernalia of the PKI as a theme and see how far you could get away with it.

      • John Grim

        I’m sorry, but have you ever watched wayang at all? Stories of war and murder were told within it, and it was based on historical events. Rambo, part II, while being fictional, was using the US involvement in the vietnam war as its base. Part III were based on US involvement in the Afghanistan war, side by side with the mujaheddin (oh the irony) against the Russian. Every fictions must have its base on reality at some point

        Furthermore, form what I read on this article, the cafe was about german WWII military paraphernalia, and not nazism. No photographs of death-camps, no coffee table “mein kampf”, No hitler speech blaring from the speakers. And if anyone would be interested to do a cafe, or even an museum based on what REALLY happens on September 30 1965, I’d be far more than pleased, since the overall army propaganda was nothing more than lies that led to the deaths of many

    • DanielKaimana

      You have a point here Shamed Indo. That cafe set up in 2011. So, it’s been there for a quite some time now. “WW II Germany army paraphernalia” You said it. I think that is the most plausible explanation to describe him. Very much so.. As I posted in other thread, here are the links again, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323883/Johnny-Milanos-chilling-photos-American-Nazis-annual-National-Socialist-Movement-convention-Atlanta.html and http://www.americannaziparty.com/index.php The point of what I am trying to say is even in democratic nations (that at least most common acceptable descriptions of those countries)such as US, and the UK, these appear in public.. But as VOXCLARA attempts to justify it as FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND SPEECH, my question is cannot that same Freedom of Expression principle be applied here?? Or should it be differentiated? Should we have double standards (again and again)? What if Henry Mulayana comes out and points that principle too? (I hope he does not read GJ), really.. Again, my standing position is clear: I CONDEMN THE CAFE..

  • steven

    do they sell pork? hitler ate pork, so as every kind of nazis…

    • Brian

      No he didn’t. He was a vegetarian.

      • DanielKaimana

        And is it true that under his regime, animal rights were protected? Given the fact that these days animals are treated so bad, that must be something OK..

    • TalkingEid

      Actually I think he was vegetarian

  • Firman

    That guy who makes nazi themed cafe is just seeking for something that
    boost publicity. Many indonesian who happens to “like” NAZI are just a
    fan of cool military stuff, since the NAZI have a unique and well design
    uniform and so with their military weapons… its just about that. this
    article is getting the wrong picture.. And step aside the so called “genocide” done by NAZI, because even the victor country in WW II such as Russia and America had brutally done some genocide, and that is fact.

    • mauriceg

      Firman – I guess you and your family are lucky that it was Japanese troops and not Nazis who occupied Indonesia during WW2. Bad though things were historically, the horrors of the Holocaust would have been visited on you guys too.
      Showing your ignorance of history and trivialising the suffering of others is sheer blind stupidity Don’t continue making yourself out an idiot in this paper, there’s a good chap.

  • Good,Bad and Ugly

    BTW I sent copies of this article to the good Rabbi, and to his synagogue in further congratulations to his award to SBY for religious tolerance.

    • Valkyrie1604

      Good for you! Any response yet?

      • DanielKaimana

        “Waiting for Godot” is written by Samuel Beckett, isn’t it? I’m not sure.

  • DrDez

    @Shamed

    WW2 and Hitler was a global event – the most far reaching event of the 20C, a period that redefined the shape of the world, refined ideologies and redefined Indonesia… Maybe a cursory mention could have been expected yes. Oh and yes I learned some East Indies history at school.

    However let me say I am not offended by the cafe, I am far more offended by groups like the FPI and many within DPR and individuals here who rape our nation for god

    The cafe owner is looking to make a $ – I have no issues with that. If I was offended by such trivia then that aligns me with many Muslims here who scream offense at just about anything

    BTW – I lived through WW2 and it was not a fun time.

    • John Grim

      I bet it wasn’t Doc. And I believe that many Indonesians today share that same offense you felt with the FPI and the DPR. I also believe that the education system here SHOULD improve. You know what? Living in Indonesia these times weren’t fun either. Having some expats throwing generalizing and condescending comments on articles like these sure doesn’t help, this was what actually pissed me off in the first place.

  • BonChon

    From my observation , JG has turned to a platform where stupid Expats can freely spew their stupid generalization based on one single case. Ridiculous !

  • Roland

    Actually – Hitler was vegetarian.

  • human2

    Somewhere a village is missing it’s idiot. On your way home shamed… on your way home…

    • John Grim

      You’re the one who generalize. You generalize that everyone whose into WWII german military paraphernalia were pro nazi where in fact, not every single german soldier that fought the war were pro nazi. Its like saying that every muslim is a terrorist and every white american is affiliated with the KKK. And you called me an idiot?

  • nazi-boreng

    comparing the dutch east indies to what hitler did in europe during world war 2 is a stretch. you can do better than that.

    • BonChon

      Dutch East Indies has done countless barbaric murders throughout Indonesia (and other asia ) region.

      I wont blame you if you’re not familiar with names like Raymond Westerling and JP Coen. After all, we all know they don’t teach Indonesian history in their classroom.

      • Hypocrite Buster

        These Westerling and Coen guys, I am sure their “barbaric murders” didn’t include ending the lives of at least 6 million Indonesians in gas chamber, making lamp shades from their skin and other untold horrors. Those, and more, were what the Nazis did to the Jews and other non Aryans (including Indonesians if they happened to be around in Germany that time)

      • DD

        Westerling killed 30,000 people – there we 70 million deaths in WW2.

        In fact the total number of people killed in the East Indies by the Dutch is dwarfed by the single act of communist purge in 65/6 add to the other TNI police actions and we get a very sorry tale

        • Bon Chon

          Murders is Murder old man, regarding of number of casualties.
          Don’t be ridiculous.

          The point is i don’t mind if someone open a dutch colonial themed restaurant in Indonesia. So why all this commotion?

          • DD

            Is it really? I dont think ‘plain’ murder and genocide are the same – but then I’m an old man and can’t keep pace with you young siller buckers – is it time for my morning nap and gruel nurse?

          • BonChon

            Murder of 30.000 people is not a “plain” murder.

          • DD

            But its not genocide either is it? Now what Indonesia tried in East Timor – well that is genocide
            However we will have to agree to differ dear child – I look forward to your future balanced arguments
            There is a good story about the FPI just published – How dear child will you react when many people start saying the reality there one wonders?

          • yuwonosigit

            wow, you sounds very angry man…
            yes murder is murder, but genocide is on another level.
            What the Colonial Dutch did in Nusantara (there was no Indonesia at that time) was colonization for the natural resources. That’s why now we their culture affect ours, especially in Java (I don’t know about other islands).
            True many natives died in the process, but in a span of centuries. And not because they’re from specific race/ ethnicity.
            If the Dutch Indie performed a genocide, I don’t know about you, but I won’t be born as a Javanese, that’s for sure.

  • yuwonosigit

    I pray you won’t go down that road by start generalizing the Expats too.

    • BonChon

      Most expats who frequently comment on JG, not all expats.

  • human2

    How about a communism cafe with 6 dead generals on the wall. Then maybe we could have 500 thousand red stars complete with sickle and hammer to represent the half million killed as retribution for the killing of those 6 generals. How long do you think that might stay open?

    • bates

      Is there actually any real proof that that happened?

      • DD

        errr yes … master

    • chang

      As long they like

      • Hans van den Berg

        Then I would suggest a café with picture of the Indonesian army killing papua’s the past 81 years including last week. It won’t stay open for a day!

  • TGIF

    The Regents of UC (University of California) has elected a Muslim woman to represent student affairs. JEWISH groups are voicing their anger. Just to say that animosity among religions will not disappear even in the US. Nothing to do with this article but just to show you that we all live in a delicate fearful world and all the dots are connected.

    • DanielKaimana

      What? Really? Oh my days, does it really happen? Given, you know, it is in University and in the US, presumably they are more ‘mature’ than their student counterparts in IAIN for instance? There must be a reason behind it TGIF.. It cannot be simply because the lady is a Muslim… No no no…

    • Voxclara

      Arab oil money is changing US universities with Jihad in campuses :

      Source: http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/saudi-money-shaping-us-research-8083
      King Abdullah University of Science and Technology opened its doors in 2009 and already has lavished more than $200 million on top U.S. university scientists. Stanford, Cornell, Texas A&M, UC Berkeley, CalTech, Georgia Tech—all are awash in new millions of Saudi cash for research directed at advancing solutions for Saudi energy and water needs. The new university, known as KAUST, has similar partnerships with scientists at Peking University and Oxford.

      Many American universities and their scientists, lured by research grants of as much as $25 million, have jumped at the chance to partner with KAUST. Some of those scientists do research at their universities here and spend a small part of their time in Saudi Arabia creating “mirror” labs.

      Source: http://www.cjp.org/page.aspx?id=35721
      NEW YORK, Dec. 15 (JTA) — Harvard and Georgetown universities both say a Saudi prince attached no strings when he gave them $20 million gifts — but at a time that Arab influence in American classrooms is coming under scrutiny, some observers are taking a wait-and-see approach.

      Source: http://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/genocidal-liberalism-the-universitys-jihad-against-israel-jews/
      And petro-dollars have helped to lubricate this stealth jihad. Jay P. Greene, a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute , noted that “Gulf Arabs gave a total of $88 million to 14 U.S. universities between 1995” and today. What does all that largesse buy? For one thing, academic recipients are going to shy away from any critical investigation of the donor’s own political system, autocratic rule, or abuse in the social and civil rights of the citizens of those oil-rich but often economically- and socially-backward countries. Though many of the funded centers, such as Georgetown’s, are established with the stated intention of helping to “build bridges” between the Christian West and Islam for the purpose of enhancing mutual understanding, in practice the centers end up serving as beachheads where Arab states can attempt to influence scholarship and indoctrinate a new generation of scholars.

      Source: http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2010/05/jihad-on-us-campuses.php
      In the following clip, you see David Horowitz from the Freedom Center asking a Muslim student activist at UC San Diego if she supports Hizbullah’s aim of eradicating Jewry from the face of the planet. And this smooth-talking human upholstery board – sporting a drapery and a tablecloth – said yes.
      So there you have it.

      • TGIF

        Thanks for sharing. Daniel can understand my post that it wasn’t fabricated out of a hat…

      • MadWorld

        Not only to the USA, also, to UK. ( Google wahhabism in London, loads of informations).

      • DanielKaimana

        Cannot believe it.. The most prestigious Universities on earth, including those in the UK as well as Madworld said (?) are bought on wholesale by Muslims. Is that what you want to say Voxclara? Hmm… Your links are very much associated with Jewish community.

        • GypsyMacaque

          Daniel, please read : The Implications of Saudi funding to the western academic institution, published on tuesday 23/07/2013, 15 ramadan 1434. Money does talk !

      • Krautz

        You see voxclara it is the same thing in Indonesia the US lure with grant to brain wash the moslem thinking and became moslem mis thinking such as married same gender is legal, moslem law is outdated, Jaringan islam etc. It is same old story… keep your mumbling shut voxclara if you are not moslem!

        • Voxclara

          Krautz if you can only mumble you really should just shut up.

      • mm

        What! really people don’t need to be afraid if saudi govt is the one who’s giving out money. It’s not like they are going to produce terrorists or anything. I mean they are US and Israel’s close friend. The nation’s majority might be muslim but the govt is satisfied and comfortable with their position as US’ yes-man/slave. tl;dr this is irrelevant with the article anyway, stop spreading hate towards Islam.

    • Deddy K.

      But difference is here in Indonesia FPI and their terrorist associates would try to burn that university to the ground. In the US they protect rights.

      • DanielKaimana

        Come on Deddy… I know what you mean. With all my soul I also never agree on FPI. But burning a University? Proof? It’s a hallucination. Disagreement should not lead you to paranoia.. There have been a lot around, don’t add yourself on the list..

  • DanielKaimana

    I attempt to refrain myself from talking about the numbers. But yes Hypocrite, you’re right. So is it because of the numbers then, eh? And further, I don’t think counter-factual could be used as a point to persuade someone agree on condemning the holocaust. Simply put, holocaust is holocaust. Killing or massacre civilians simply cannot be justified. Because if we justify one than the other, we would end up to justify the US killing innocent people in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, in Iraq, Afghanistan and in home by Suharto to PKI, Timore Leste, Aceh and many more examples on list including what Israeli does to innocent Palestinians. In my opinion, all form of killing innocent ppl regardless the numbers and reasons behind it should be condemned. Yes?

    • Hypocrite Buster

      Yes, I agree with your point but my earlier context was in response to resident nationalist BonChon who wanted to hear only good things about Indonesia from expat posters here.

    • DD

      We agree Dan – all killing should be condemned!!
      But now you have in effect reached a fault in the argument.
      If we condemn killings then surely we condemn the guilty party and all the paraphernalia that supports them? Especially when the symbolism is so powerful and so dark and leads inextricably to more violence.

      So by condemning the holocaust as murder should we therefore condemn the insignia and symbols that surround it? Like for instance a Nazi themed cafe with images of SS and Hitler all over the place, waiters dressed in Nazi uniforms??
      Or is that somehow ok?

      Do we therefore support the mechanism but decry the vehicle? which is rather self defeating…
      What we usually do in Indonesia when such a conundrum is reached is a) ignore it b) say its cultural and ignore it or c) find someone to blame – Will you break the case?

      • DanielKaimana

        You got a point there. Symbolism. I don’t know if hammer and sickle is banned in many countries. Swastika yes for sure in some countries. Can you enlighten me for this?

    • mauriceg

      @Danielkaimana – murder is murder. But the Holocaust was so much more obscene. It was the deliverate, wanton planned extermination of a race of people (including, Gypsies, gays etc, too) on a Europe-wide scale with ever more large-scale methods employed to kill innocents, civilians from babies to the very oldest en masse. From all occupied countries in Europe, in fact. Transported to countries where death camps were built, manned and maintained by murderous men and women, usually natives of these counties, as well as Germans. You have no idea. But do as I have done, if you dare. If you go to Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, you will be confronted there with aspects of the horror that will sear your soul.

      Talk of Indonesian travails pales in comparison. But do not suppose that I am being religiously selective. Israel, Judaism and civilised mankind mourn the Holocaust. It is a scream of the most profound inhumanity, but the world knows of it at least. In contrast, Indonesians refuse to come to terms with their own murderous past, preferring to (wrongly and massively) ascribe blame for this and other selective blindnesses to European colonialism.

      John Donne said:
      Any
      man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And
      therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

  • AMPD

    What an ignorant, idiotic cafe’s owner/management… A supporter of Nazi and Neo-Nazi movement? Anti-Semitic race? What?!?!…

    • Grosskreutz

      hey if Nazi are devil, how about USA ? how many people they killed ?

  • DD

    Half truths are worse than lies Dan – Paranoia breeds hate and ignorance and reading your growing list of posts it is clear you have a victim mentality that you share with many of your brothers .. I digress

    Of course it is – 99% of the Muslim world hate Jews and 50% call for their annihilation. What do you want them to say here’s a medal why not pop around tonight for a BBQ & beers?

    However let’s look at why there is opposition and also look at who voted for her…

    First – Sadia is on record (in the campaigning) as saying UC should boycott Israeli companies because of Human Rights issues
    Second – she is silent on the Islamic nations Human Rights issues

    Third – In March she supported a UC resolution condemning a so-called Islamophobic hate speech delivered at UC Santa Cruz. Saifuddin said it went beyond the definition of free expression. An investigation found this not be a speech based on factual events

    Fourth – She refuses to condemn the open hate speeches of Muslims

    The list goes on and so what we see is a pattern, a typical pattern my I say, of Muslims demanding but failing to give back, I demand my rights (rights I would not have in most Islamic countries funny enough) but you cannot have yours sort of thing.

    BTW there are Muslim groups unhappy too – after all she is a women

    The panel of 4 that elected her comprised of 2 Jews BTW and like them I wish her well – however to succeed she will need to concentrate on all peoples welfare and not just Muslims – a lesson for many people in power in Indonesia would you not agree?

    Half truths Dan, think about it … Don’t become like 22 please

    • TGIF

      Thanks for adding so Daniel could understand the whole picture as to why and why….Hope he is not my new stalker. Gee whiz…I don’t fabricate news. LOL

    • DanielKaimana

      DD, you sound sensible, really.. Your comment (this 1) well put, thank you. If I get you right, you said the anger of Jewish student group can be justified reading those points you mentioned particularly about her personal trait. And yes, that is reasonable. Unfortunately, we cannot hear any argument from the side of Regents of UC appointing her to ‘cover both sides’. But let’s put that aside at the moment.

      My stance: I disagree and will always disagree on unfairness. Call my stance a victim mentality, however, that exact tone and notion of yours: 99% of the Muslim world hate Jews and 50% call for their annihilation, is expressed by ‘some Muslims’ I ever encounter. But with a different sequence of the nouns. Copy paste your sentence, it becomes “99% of the Jews world hate Muslims and 50% call for their annihilation”. The latter one is with a bit modification adding Westerns and Christians.
      Before continuing, let me explain about the punctuan mark I put on the phrase of some Muslims. I met and I have good friendships with many ‘moderate Muslims’ who refuse that. They refuse to hate Jews. That is a hidden fact and only occasionally covered on the news. So, I think it is fair to say ‘some’. Further, I don’t see Muslims as a single entity. I never believe that Muslims is a single noun. Never. Like my believe to Jews and literally to any race and ethnic group on earth, I never see them as a single noun. As an identification of a group yes but when it goes beyond that, making judgements for instance, I refuse. There is a very dark side of that way of thinking.

      Now, about judging or interpreting Qur’an. Again call me a lazy one to find the truth. It is alright. For me, every holy Books has their own righteous messages. And interpretations will be always plural, not in Islam, not in Christianity, not in Buddhism, not in Hindu (I’m not sure about in Judaism). There will be always different interpretations. Now me, shall I want to make judgements about Judaism, I would not base it on my understanding about Christianity. Nope. But I will open my heart and my mind to really understand it without prejudices or at very least to consciously ban the prejudices. I never believe I will fully understand about someone’s religion from googling as once Voxclara proposed in one thread. Googling will never be a state of the art to reveal truth, particularly about truth of a religion.

      But again yeah, it will be a big mistake if I proclaim myself a man of knowing the truth. Nope and never. As you said DD, half truths, i interpret it as a man who is finding the truth. and maybe silly, too.. Humbly, I have to admit my knowledge is limited on many things if not on everything. Two at least I avoid: being one side (unfair) and promoting google as a technique to find the truth.

      • DD

        1. Jews like many minority religions here Dan just want to be left alone. In fact in Israel Arab / Muslims have greater rights than in anywhere else in the region.

        2. As I see it only Muslims are roundly killing other Muslims and non believers over differing interpretations – That is not to say it is not happening but scale wise I think you will agree Muslims are the current leaders – mainly those with Sunni teachings although not exclusively
        3. Re the Regents arguments for appointing her – yes you can there are a great number of threads actively discussing this – just google if you are interested
        4. Interpretations not plural in Islam? I beg to differ it is that difference in interpretation that is causing tens of thousands of deaths yearly – plus massive oppression especially of women
        5. You don’t make judgments about Jews et al? Yes you do every time you pray. Think about the words you are saying. Or has the ritual overtaken the meaning in your mind?
        6. You want the truth about religion? Here it is. There is no god Dan. The whole is a man made construct. If you prove otherwise I will willingly join you for Friday prayers and discus my conversion
        7. Righteous messages – I agree, however here and now it is only the koranic texts that are being used openly to justify hate, violence, murder and general oppression. That is not to say all non Muslims are perfect and free from such acts or to say all Muslims follow that path. It is saying your texts can be and are being used to justify atrocities – saying they do not understand real Islam is a failed argument – Until Islam has a bit of an inward reflection and allows open debate on the meaning and applicability of the verses then it will continue to be so.
        Tired now – time for my nightcap

        • DanielKaimana

          DD, if you say there is no God Almighty, I will no further want to discuss with you. It is very very offensive statement.

  • DD

    Animals are protected under EU and German law and it works pretty well on the whole – the places animals get a very raw deal is countries like Indonesia, but then look how Indonesian treat other Indonesians and they are humans.
    Hitler also built fantastic roads perhaps we should reincarnate him and dump SBY?

    • DanielKaimana

      Well, actually I asked whether under his regime (He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named), animal rights protected.

      Shall I answer your question, I prefer a leader who can build fantastic roads, encourage Indonesians to read Harry Porter and promoting peace on earth.

      • DD

        No he did not – In Europe in the 1930′s animal welfare was still a soft topic although it had gained ground along with many other social welfare improvements post 1820′s. The RSPCA was founded in 1824 but it was an uphill battle – and in many cases remains so

        RI is yet to catch up and infact we remain in denial about animal and human welfare, until we face the demons we will always be so.

        I prefer a leader who cares equally for his people irrespective of wealth, ethnicity or religion and one who upholds the law in a fair and equal manner

        SBY is not that man and looking at the 2014 neither are any of the others.

  • DD

    I am not silent on it Bon nor over the many other atrocities Indonesia has carried out since Independence

  • Voxclara

    To both Kael and guest, please read my comment again before sprouting more of the same, thank you!

    • DanielKaimana

      Voxclara condemn nazi but celebrating the same causalities done by others.

  • DD

    So does CB glorify abuse? Or is it as my Indonesian wife (who was alive at the time of Independence) more like a museum?

    • BonChon

      Does this Bandung Cafe glorify abuse?

      • MikeOfAston

        It does, regardless of whether the owner understand that or not, because Nazi paraphernalia has never been linked to art (indeed its auction is illegal in France, Germany, Austria or Hungary and frowned upon in other western countries) but to an ugly evocation of an inhuman period in history. Collecting/exhibiting Nazi paraphernalia is not the same as collecting/exhibiting say death masks, antique guns, spears or kris which have artistic value despite their deathly connotation. Incidentally, I’ve also answered you on “greatness of a nation…” elsewhere below.

  • Politeia

    Yes, you are wrong. “Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior, or superior” (Wikipedia). My statement referred to the education policy not to the people. Of course not.
    Do you really think that the education in this country is remotely sufficient? Why are my family, my friends, my colleagues struggle very hard to save money to put their kids on a private, international school? Unfortunately most cannot afford it, so the kids wouldn’t get a chance to use their potentials. It is a shame.
    It would take much too long to thoroughly discuss that matter here, so I leave it. However, I don’t know nothing about your education and I am sorry that you personally felt hurt. But maybe it’s time to abstract from your own and see the whole picture….

  • DD

    Do you and Bon condemn the use of Nazi symbols?
    Yes or No will suffice

    • BonChon

      No !

    • DanielKaimana

      Yes !

  • DD

    Amusing since the Cosplay theme was developed by the Japanese in the 1930′s -40′s It was developed to give servicemen a sense of home – It was achieved by dressing up ‘comfort women’ in Japanese clothing and then raping them. It developed into the army whore corps and has millions of women

    The comfort women came from nations a great deal of young Indonesian women among them, possibly 400,000 many of whom died

    I suggest you google ‘comfort women’…. do enjoy your debauchery and sexual fantasy… after all its a construct of the West..

    • Shamed Indo

      oh my, you still life in 1930′s? How was the ride on the time machine? Bumpy?

  • Hunri a

    Well there are fanatics in Bandung, unless your religious ideology supports them and yes they hate the jews and yes they raid places with drinking, often it is said consuming it after confiscation (illegal actions unpunished BTW)
    I smell silliness in your comment… yes silliness is strong in this one

  • bates

    An example would be nice. It sounds to me that you have an inclination towards racism. Are you also of the opinion that Indonesia would be a better place if all foreigners were to be shipped out, leaving Indonesia pure?

    • BonChon

      Feel free to check JG comment board

      And please don’t play the racism card, it’s boring and it’s not right.

      “Are you also of the opinion that Indonesia would be a better place if all foreigners were to be shipped out, leaving Indonesia pure?”

      What a foolish assumption.

    • Shamed Indo

      nope, just the racists, western-supremacy minded and the obnoxious ones would be great, thx

  • Voxclara

    Not sure why you always misconstrued my comment, nowhere in my comment did I said nor implied nor suggested that you fabricated the story least of all out of a hat…..

    In fact I posted those links to back up your story. Also to present the cause/evidence why a Muslim was elected to the student reps. It is very much inline with the billion $$ funding from the Islamic regimes to the US learning institutions.

    It seems Daniel’s unsubtle sarcasm must have totally escaped you. Do try to have a nice day……..

  • BonChon

    No , I never wanted to hear only good news here. I want balance and fair comments.

    Unfortunately, people like you have failed to do so.

    I have seen your posts lately. From your post, i can tell what kind of person you are. Bitter and full of hatred to Indonesia.

    • DD

      Perhaps you should take it upon yourself to offer that balanced view and educated HB.
      I, despite being an old man am always eager to look at different angles but frankly many of the stories published would turn Walter Mitty grey trying to find the positive / balanced argument

      • BonChon

        see my reply above

    • Hypocrite Buster

      You’re fiddling with semantics BonChon, balanced and fair comments to whom? If I say this cafe decor is sick, I am unfair to whom? If I say Indonesia among the most corrupted countries in the world, or one with among highest number of malnourished children, or child mortality, or poorest piped water supply, or sewerage system, and so on and so on (you got my drift) – all can be backed by authoritative data e.g. by World Bank – I am unfair to whom? Please don’t confuse a a description as a criticism. You’ll grow up, a bit self deprecation is good for the soul.

  • Hypocrite Buster

    DanielKaimana is not saying you fabricate the news, in fact no one here does. He is being sarcastic – “University and in the US, presumably they are more ‘mature’ than their student counterparts in IAIN for instance? There must be a reason behind it TGIF” – he’s bashing the west. Sorry to spell this out for you.

    • DanielKaimana

      Hypocrite, I am not bashing west, east, north, south..centre or periphery..

  • Religulousness

    Firman, if America wanted to kill muslims (or anyone else for that matter) they could do it in about 30 minutes destroying 70-80% of all muslims and muslim territory on earth…..The united states has millions of muslims, except their they are just called citizens like everyone else. There is not obsession with religion. Do as you please as long as you don’t infringe on the rights or others or harm others in the process. The USA wanted nothing to do with the middle east militarily until attacked. Sometimes when you kick the largest hornets nest in the world in the name of whoever….you will get stung.

  • DD

    well done Bon… so your actual point is you don’t like foreigners pointing out that this cafe is in very bad taste and quite offensive or indeed general crap things about Indonesia ? Is that right

    • DanielKaimana

      Flawed syllogism. You can do it better than that DD

  • Steve

    Henry, you are claiming that the nazi holocaust didn’t happen? A simple google search may change your mind.

    Imagine if you had chosen a Japanese military theme. Would you get any customers? Just in case you are not aware of how insensitive this would be check this out. (Warning not for the fainthearted)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCkGiiabV40

    There are hundreds of similar videos showing the horrors of war. If you want to educate your customers perhaps you could show these sort of videos in your cafe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9_sDp1PGYg

  • zemak

    henry definitely hate nazi, thats why he put ‘nazi goreng’ means ‘nazi is bad’, he should add ‘zanten nazi goreng pizan’ or ‘becoming nazi is very bad’
    cmonnnn, drone is still killing people
    taliban iscstill gunning little girl
    peace peace peaze pizzz

    • RINI

      one hell good comment so far

  • BonChon

    I for my self acknowledge all points you mentioned above. Corruption has been one of biggest part of our problems. Just like other countries, we, as a nation still have tons of things to do and a long way to go.

    However, Nobody likes to hear constant snide insinuations from bitter and grumpy expats. Despite providing positive encouragement, you and your likes has a strong tendency only to bash and highlights negative side of this country. For what? To feed and satisfy your deep hatred to Indonesia?

    BTW, what is your nationality?

    Fortunately, despite so many hurdles, somehow we survived two financial crisis and keep going strong until this very day. Now, that’s something worth praising, although i must admit, Indonesia could have done a lot better without corruption

  • DD

    Dan –
    The hammer represents the industrial working class while the sickle represents the agricultural workers – together the hammer and sickle represent the unity of these two groups and the formation of collective rights for workers.

    As far as I am aware several nations ban the communist party and probably the symbolism of the hammer and sickle, including RI. (probably ignored her of course)

    Funny that Nazi symbolism is ok here but communist is not in Indo… Perhaps the ruling elite are afraid of Indonesian workers forming and demanding collective rights ?

    • DanielKaimana

      That is the exact point DD… It is very much about politics, isn’t it? If something is OK here but cannot be acceptable in some place, is not that about politics? Nazification was implemented soon after German defeated. Allowing hammer and sickle cannot take place here as you said the ruling elite still on power. It is very much about who are holding the power, don’t you think?

  • Voxclara

    Whether the links are very much associated with the Jewish community is quite beside the point. Unless you can proof that the Islamists didn’t denote those $$$ to the universities then you have no case. The problem is that you just like to throw accusation without ever bother to substantiate any of it. It’s tiresome to have any exchanges with you.

    • DanielKaimana

      Oh my,.. Isn’t that the precise point I have been asking you, to see both sides? Are you not aware that your tone has been attacking Islam all the time? How can you prove that Jews don’t do the same thing? How? Any evidence?

      • Voxclara

        Oh my… You are saying by stating the fact thus the truth is the same as attacking? Such warped logic. If you can’t handle the truth then stop responding!

        You suggested that there was no Arab Islamist $$$$ donated, then prove it! So far you have not been able to, are you a liar and just out to slander anyone you happen to disagree with?

  • Mulder

    Steve because you born after those day.. just history is history why so rush?

    • jaytee

      my google translate couldn’t understand what you were on about

  • Mulder

    That is 1000% righty !

    • Hans van den Berg

      Your name says it all: Grosskreutz/Mulder? German neo-nazi’s? Don’t go away from the topic! I would say, how many Papua’s have been killed even this month by Indonesians?

      • DanielKaimana

        A lot and still..Just like the Dutch, American, British, Taliban, Israeli to innocent Palestinians and so on.. The question is why is Taliban worse than the Dutch or American? Why the Jews of Israel should have more high moral ground?

  • Rustynails

    Of course, he should be free to decorate his little cafe as he sees fit. However, nor should he be surprised when people advise him he is an insensitive, ignorant twit. I do look forward to the time someone opens up the Cafe with pictures of Indonesians being lorded over by their Dutch Masters and a Bar glamorising the efforts of the Gerwani in 1965.

  • Pitt

    Why don’t we have a look at Mr Mulyana’s tattoos, that should give us an indication of his personal opinions on matters.

  • DD

    Dan
    The hammer and sickle have never been the symbol of supremacy, hate and genocide – it is a symbol of worker unity – which is perhaps why many guvs do not like it, it symbolizes the opposite for what many people believe – it espouses shared ownership, collective actions etc etc – it is not a fascist symbol.
    Nazi symbolism has nothing to do with unity but everything to do with hatred, violence, false nationalism and killing because they think they are superior – Nazism is more akin to radical Islam than communism
    Nazism was not implemented after the war – its very fascist motives where the main driver for the war and they have their roots with Hitler and his band of murderers
    Its about right and wrong Dan – what I feel is right based upon shared values v what you feel is right or wrong based on your own shared values
    For me anything that signifies ‘god given’ superiority and justifies violence is simply wrong. Again the analogy with radical Islamists is far closer to Nazi behaviours than that of communists

    • DanielKaimana

      It’s about symbols and values, right?? And values are social constructions.. Hitler existence to only one mission on earth: to kill Jews is also a narration construction. The problem is humans are diverse. And some try to construct the narration other than the mainstream story. That’s what I see it… And the winner always writes history until they are defeated and another story emerges.

  • DD

    Dan
    The hammer and sickle have never been the symbol of supremacy, hate and genocide – it is a symbol of worker unity – which is perhaps why many guvs do not like it, it symbolizes the opposite for what many people believe – it espouses shared ownership, collective actions etc etc – it is not a fascist symbol.
    Nazi symbolism has nothing to do with unity but everything to do with hatred, violence, false nationalism and killing because they think they are superior – Nazism is more akin to radical Islam than communism
    Nazism was not implemented after the war – its very fascist motives where the main driver for the war and they have their roots with Hitler and his band of murderers
    Its about right and wrong Dan – what I feel is right based upon shared values v what you feel is right or wrong based on your own shared values
    For me anything that signifies ‘god given’ superiority and justifies violence is simply wrong. Again the analogy with radical Islamists is far closer to Nazi behaviours than that of communists

  • Hans van den Berg

    He’s an idiot. Hitler would have want to kill him simply because he’s not white and blond. Hitler even had muslim clerics put in camps in North Africa! I’ve lived in Indonesia and I’m ashamed of so much ignorance!

    • DanielKaimana

      True.. Even, how dare he made a comparison Dutch killing Indonesian during the colonisation.. Did not he know that Dutch killing pribumi is justifiable??? Even after Indonesian independence, the Dutch still claimed innocent civilians lives. What a shame, he could not be tolerated to compare those!!!! Yeah, he is idiot.. Very true..

  • Hans van den Berg

    so called “genocide” ? In the name of those same Nazi’s together with the Japanese, your country was occupied, Indonesians were killed, raped, and still those victims have not been recognized. the youth of today are a bunch of morons, thinking they know everything they know is true because they simply found it on the internet. if many Indonesians happen to “like” Nazi as you called it then it is obvious they don’t have brains. NAZI’s were anti black people, anti-Asian people and wanted a complete world with white/blond people. Hitler would not even have you live today!

  • Tyson

    This isn’t newsworthy. There’s too many cowboy themed cafe all over the world commemorating victory over natives Indian American.

    • jaytee

      ‘There’s too many cowboy themed cafe all over the world commemorating victory over natives Indian American’.

      really? wow, you seem to have been brainwashed by hollywood

    • TalkingEid

      Name one.

    • barkhov

      cowboys didn’t kill the native americans. army and politic did.

      • RINI

        What is so different? So did the nazi. They were army and moved by politic.

  • jaytee

    he’s an idiot but his customers must have the same number of brain cells as his which is Zilch

  • Christo

    I am Indonesian. I am not familiar with the Nazi ideology and neither the rest of almost 300 mio Indo population. You, Henry, make us sick, idiot! Shame on you, your shallow way of making money , your lack of creativity and your empty soul. At first i thought he is just naive, but then when he talked he’s a nazi fanatic.

  • Tyson

    You need to get out more.

    • andriw

      Name one then

    • jaytee

      thanks for the advice, we’ll do

  • Dimaz Fantaztico

    Anyway, you all talk (edit) only!!! The thing is He finds his cafe theme very unique, attractive and eye catching, so what is wrong with that? It is his own business and money and not yours, why are you all bullshitting and complaining?? It is his brand and copyright. Should have been constructive feedbacks/complaints, I wonder how long such discussion??? Why don’t you all try open the same business as him with your own brand and theme, try compete, let’s see who turn up to be the champion!!! If you do, then syabas!!! if you DON’T then keeeeep quuuuiiiiieeeeeeetttt!!! (((:

    • TalkingEid

      Ill open a cafe devoted to the persecution and murder of you and you family? Is that ok? I mean that would be unique attractive and eye catching, right? Numpty.

    • AMPD

      OMG!!! Do you really understand what the issue is all about, Dimaz Fantaztico, don’t you?! NOT!!!… and, speaking of brand and copyright… what brand and copyright are you referring to, eh?! The reversed swastika? the SS uniform?! What?!?…. Nothing is Henry Mulyana’s copyright here … the SS Uniform belongs to Hugo Boss and the reserved swastika to the Nazi party… I suggest you to go back to school and study well before you say anything…

    • wakeupyankee

      There are so many pathetic regular commentators who are keen to impose their views on others and insult Muslims and their religion while fiercely defending the chosen tribe.
      I have been to the Henry’s Cafe , and was surprised to find a gas chamber !!! ..
      I wish I could shut those morons up.

    • Hunri a

      Dim (appropriate perhaps)

      1. It is not his brand or copyright it is an internationally denounced symbol of violence, racism and hatred.

      2. What is wrong is that it glorifies and supports mass killings and genocide, it is also a symbol of radical fascism

      3. That you are too ignorant to understand is the saddest wrong of all

      ‘if you DON’T then keeeeep quuuuiiiiieeeeeeetttt!!’……. just like most Indonesians do about the destruction of Indonesia and the ghastly murders of its own people you mean?? No thank you

      Q: Did the cartoons of the profit upset you? Or the burning of the crucifix ?

    • Mikon

      Does that cafe comes with ghastly gas chambers adorned with the ashes of the murdered victims or does it also display little shoes of murdered Jewish children? What the sane people are saying is that the cafe to glorify Hitler isn’t cool. We should learn from history and what happened during Hitler’s regime is a very dark time of humanity.

    • LeeJin

      The voice of uneducated and ignorant Indonesia rings out again. Please refrain from broadcasting your point of view Indon – you are totally moronic.

  • Shamed Indo

    ah, another “intellectual”. You seriously think I’ve missed out on this “holocaust” issue? I’ve read Ellie Wiesel’s “Night”, Spiegelman’s “Maus”, TIME-LIFE photos and documentations. Heck, I was even brought up watching “Baa Baa Black Sheep” and “Combat” on TV! There’s no escaping the holocaust issue in popular media. Never in my replies I have stated that the holocaust was a fictional event, have I? On the other hand I think you missed the point. Was there a picture of people lining up to the gas chamber on that cafe? The stack of horrifyingly thin bodies? Faces staring blankly behind barbed wire? No right? SO HOW COME THE CAFE WAS ABOUT CELEBRATING THE HOLOCAUST? Again, its about WWII German military paraphernalia. And not all German soldiers who fought in the war was pro-Nazi. Ever heard of Erwin Rommel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel

    • human2

      I would say that even the symbol of the Swastika is offensive because of the ideology behind it. You don’t need to show the images of the dead cause that’s what the symbols and uniforms bring up in peoples minds. If you feel its harmless go to Europe in a uniform brandishing a swastika see how much people appreciate your grasp of history….

  • Shamed Indo

    There’s a COWBOY BAR in kemang area, jakarta. Complete with bandits, indians and a mechanical bull. Does that count?

    • TalkingEid

      Probably, since people like Tyson seem to think that Jakarta is the same as the civilized world.

      • John Grim

        which civilized world do you refer to?

    • Muhammed Al Felatio

      Is that the FPI headquarters you’re referring to?

  • Shamed Indo

    That’s exactly the point I was try to make. One man understanding on certain maters might differ from another, so their reaction on certain symbolism differs. So why does some people automatically bashed someone who displays WWII german military paraphernalia, knowing this fact? I have to admit that Henry’s reply was far from apt and not so “intelligent” at some point. On this, he is wrong, but seeing how he was pictured on the articles gave me the impression that he wasn’t the kind that would promote Nazism. Again, hanlon’s razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

  • Shamed Indo

    The ideology behind swastika? Well its referred as a symbol for good luck in hinduism. And here’s the thing, we’re not in europe. Not many of us suffer the same burden of consciousness with these symbolism. Sure, we were brought up thinking that nazism is evil through popular media, but on the other side we were also raised playing with Tamiya hobby kits of german jagdpanzer and panthers, or playing both side (allies & german army) on computer games. So yeah, perhaps we saw things differently here. Why does that have to be translated as “ignorant” in the first place?

    • human2

      They are different actually the German swastika is a left-clockwork motion, an anti thesis of the
      ‘good’ ,as selected and used by Hitler in the Nazi symbol of ‘power
      & destruction’ was understood as “the symbol of the creating, acting
      life”of a pure breed over humanity by tantric human sacrifice(das
      Symbol des schaffenden, wirkenden Lebens) and as “race emblem of
      Germanism” as pure Aryans.

  • Shamed Indo

    No, FPI headquartes would be in petamburan, and instead of mechanical bull, it would include a mechanical Ka’bah, since they were so keen on riding that issue

  • Hess

    Since when does any news item in the internet become fact?

  • Voxclara

    Wayang is all about Hindu mythologies the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, it can hardly be called facts.

    Rambo is a fictional character. Regardless of what it is derived from or inspired by, it is still a fiction. No one in their right mind would regard Rambo as fact.

    If you regard Nazi paraphernalia is not offensive, then it’s your prerogative. But any decent and civilised soul would find these war paraphernalia offensive, Nazism offensive, because of what Nazism stands for and what it did during WWII. You can call it German WWII military paraphernalia but they are Nazi paraphernalia. Let’s call a spade a spade

    • John Grim

      Well if you want to call a spade a spade, then you should separate between the two. Exhibiting German WWII paraphernalia does not automatically means that the exhibitors were promoting Nazism. Perhaps wayang and rambo wasn’t really an apt example. Lets say, someone who were really into “western” paraphernalia, does automatically means the person was promoting the extermination of native american indian? Or lets take a look at Rizieq Shihab. Just because he wore “Islamic” wardrobe, grow a beard, delivering hate speech in the name of “Defending” Islam, does that makes him a true habib? Something as rudimentary as a spade, couldn’t be named otherwise because it is a spade. But human nature were not as simple as spades, isn’t it?

      • Voxclara

        You really do have problem with reading comprehension. I was referring to Mr Mulyana collection of Nazi WWII military memorabilia which you would rather hypocritically call German WWII military paraphernalia as similar to a spade. Who is talking about human nature but you?

        Unless you are blind as well, you would note that the JG pictures of the interior of that Nazi cafe has a Nazi flag and a poster of Herr Hitler who gave birth to Nazism, capisce? BTW, as far as I know habib means “beloved” not a defender of Islam. The later is usually called mujahideen or mujahid. You are fast becoming tiresome and I shalln’t reply anymore.

  • Voxclara

    Apart from your extreme warped idea of Saudi Arabia, you mean by stating facts is spreading hatreds? Where did you learn this bit of logic? The Pesantren ?

  • 22roles

    Sunset country is untrustworthy at all……read this,

    The documents reveal a shocking story: just six months before Britain went to war with Nazi Germany, the Bank of England willingly handed over 5.6 million pounds worth of gold to Hitler – and it belonged to another country.
    The official history of the bank, written in 1950 but posted online for the first time on Tuesday, reveals how we betrayed Czechoslovakia – not just with the infamous Munich agreement of September 1938, which allowed the Nazis to annex the Sudetenland, but also in London, where Montagu Norman, the eccentric but ruthless governor of the Bank of England agreed to surrender gold owned by the National Bank of Czechoslovakia.
    The Czechoslovak gold was held in London in a sub-account in the name of the Bank for International Settlements, the Basel-based bank for central banks. When the Nazis marched into Prague in March 1939 they immediately sent armed soldiers to the offices of the National Bank.
    The Czech directors were ordered, on pain of death, to send two transfer requests. The first instructed the BIS to transfer 23.1 metric tonnes of gold from the Czechoslovak BIS account, held at the Bank of England, to the Reichsbank BIS account, also held at Threadneedle Street.
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    The second order instructed the Bank of England to transfer almost 27 metric tonnes of gold held in the National Bank of Czechoslovakia’s own name to the BIS’s gold account at the Bank of England.

    • DanielKaimana

      That is news to me..

  • Voxclara

    Errrrrr yes tell us, where are the insult on your people and your religion? Do you mean the comments on FPI the Islamist thugs?

    • DanielKaimana

      Oh tell her Voxclara.. He (wakeupyankee) did not know that Henry plans to turn the cafe into a concentration camp. He is just another idiot..

  • Roland

    @ 22 roles – you should really also post the source of your incredible wisdom and not just plagiarize.

    Anyway heere’s the source

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/10213988/Never-mind-the-Czech-gold-the-Nazis-stole….html

    PS; It has to be noted that it is indeed a British newspaper which run that article….

  • DanielKaimana

    The point is what’s the problem of receiving Arabs money? Everybody enjoys it anyway.. And why Jews money (assuming Jews want to share) is more delicious than Arabs? Are you juice by the way?

  • DanielKaimana

    It’s a part of diversification income.. University needs it anyway after all the cuts. Thanks to Cameron.

  • Solace

    Wow…amazing comments. Poor Henry is a product of his environment, where some Indonesians see military dictators as heroes of the people. Indonesian History is rife with them. They all have similar traits; oppress the people, murder the opposition, kill those that dont follow the correct reglious ideologies, use deciet, fraud and lies to manipulate opinion. Henry, nice idea, totally incorrect application or appreciation of the real meaning.

  • GIS

    HHmmm, everyone condemns him, it seems like the Allies always be the good guys, they just don’t know Indonesian history, being fooled and colonized by Dutch for 350 years, while Dutch kingdom become rich in Europe we were very poor living in our own country, and after independence, they tried again to take over Indonesia with their military aggressions, we, on 10th of November, celebrate Heroes day to remind us defending our country fighting the Brits and Dutch after independence. Even the Dutch government never admitted our independence day on 17th of August 1945, instead they only acknowledged on 1949 , until it was later days (1998, or 2008? if i’m not mistaken), they admitted our independence on 1945. Although the Japanese also colonized us and harmed us but at least they freed us from Allies threat and at the end of war stage they helped us to prepare independence by supporting BPUPKI (the institute of Indonesian independence preparation), the history, written by the winners of the war,….the forgotten story…

  • Budi

    at the same time, Malay race also considered as inferior human being than Caucasian during the Dutch colonization.. Neither NAZI or Allies is our ally.. And Indonesian is mature enough to not ban any symbol related to Dutch, while European still can not move on from past event happens more than a half century ago..

  • andi arif

    it is Jews whose Nazi killed, not Indonesian. it’s not our business. we don’t share the same enemy. there is no reason we should hate Nazi at the same level as the westerner do.