Bumper Sticker Sparks New Clash at Indonesian Church
Vento Saudale | January 02, 2012
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488405Personal?? NOOOO..It is 100% about people being attacked because of belief and because 1 religion is so insecure it promotes hate and violence even justifying murder on its behalf.. Thats NOT personal
Your post is a 100% cop out JPB...
It is clear that you support violence against other Indonesians on the basis of religion
It is clear that for you Islam is pre-eminent and takes the place of national law and equality (including basic human rights) if it fits your goals
It is clear that you have been so deeply indoctrinated that you jump to defend your religion even when it is clearly wrong
It is clear you have no sense of being 'Indonesian' which is about the bonds of being the same but different..The beauty of difference
If you are right and there is a god; then I hope you are prepared with a long list of excuses JPB because what you are standing for is neither peaceful or tolerant and certainly not godly (if we are to believe godly means good)
I dont think it is necessary to make this personal. This is not about you or me, but about some people on the street.
wonder if you will answer dogin and state what he asks as a gesture of peace and goodwill
JPB
Stop deflecting the issue which is illegal activity, persecution and violence by Muslims on peaceful people - On the side issue NAME these people and perils who you have first hand information on or once again your post is just BS
Yes I looked at it - its full on propaganda... You and others are just looking for any excuse to justify your hate JPB **- It makes me sick to think that Indonesians can do such a thing to other Indonesians
** I accept your word that you have not been involved but JPB by your rancid defence of this and other vile things you are part of the problem.. Sorry but its a fact. Just like the silent majority we hear so much about... When blood turns the rivers red you will have some of that blood on your hands... However I actually blame the govt for not sorting out issues like this with a serious attitude.
Leaving for the airport now so if I dont respond you know why.. Ipads are wonderful though
Hey DrDez, did you even read the article I referred to? there is complete information there, including the church's name and adress.
You are completely missing my point man. You (and other people) complained that some muslims are angry. Now I am giving you a highly probable reason for that anger. Are you trying to forcefully keeping a lid on that grass root anger using politics and laws? It might work for a while, but sooner or later pressure will build up and it will eventually explode into something nasty that nobody want. So I suggest, before christians complain about foul play, please find a mirror first.
Bogor. A bumper sticker prompted members of the hard-line Islamic Reform Movement to attack several members of the GKI Yasmin church on Sunday.
The bumper sticker, on the back of a church member’s car, said, “We need a friendly Islam, not an angry Islam.”
Scores of vociferous Muslims from the group known as the Islamic Reform Movement (Garis) terrorized members of the congregation who came to the church’s New Year’s Eve service in Bogor, GKI Yasmin spokesman Bona Sigalingging said.
Garis chairman Majudien was infuriated by the sticker and began to run after the car. The incident led the congregation to disband and move the service to the home of one of the members.
“What is the aim of that sticker being put there? That is a provocative action against us, the Muslims of Bogor,” Majudien said.
Bona said that the sticker was a souvenir that was distributed by the family of the late former Indonesian President Abdurrahman Wahid during a commemoration of his death on Friday.
“All guests who came, including the chairman of the Constitutional Court, the deputy religious affairs minister and other VIPs also got the same souvenir, the same sticker,” he said.
On Sunday, the mob from Garis shouted at church members when they began to arrive but were prevented from physical contact by hundreds of police officers who separated the congregation from the crowd.
Lawmaker Indah Kurnia on Sunday said that cases of intolerance like in Bogor should not be allowed to continue and called on President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to intervene.
“There is no need to just say that the green light had been given; the evidence is that the congregation cannot worship at its church,” Indah said.
Also present there was the chairman of the National Commission on Human Rights (Komnas HAM), Ifdhal Kasim, but he did not comment.
Bona said that the church was waiting for Yudhoyono to take action. “The president has said that he has tasked the concerned ministers to ascertain that the law is firmly upheld in the case of the GKI Yasmin and we are now awaiting the steps,” Bona said.
The church has been illegally sealed off by the city administration on the pretext that the congregation doctored a petition needed to obtain a building permit. The congregation has since 2008 been forced to hold Sunday services on the sidewalk outside the church.
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