Jomas (apologies for getting the name wrong BTW)

Once again you refer to events that Indonesia as the colonial oppressor had coming to it - just like the Dutch here and the British in Malaysia - I have no sympathy for oppressors of any ilk - nations, govts, religions - anyone

No body is blaming the Indonesians for everything - BUT on the other hand THEY committed (and still do) an awful lot of violent atrocities as part of their colonisation of the islands and internal violence for power. That is a fact.

Re ET - The Dutch also built canals, roads, rail, schools, hospitals, universities etc all across Indonesia BUT that does not mean it was right to colonise and oppress - No more that Indonesian colonial violence was/is right

Re the Westerling campaign - Even the highest sources place 30,000 dead - others say 3,000. In 1965/6 In the PKI violence Indonesia killed anywhere between 500,000 to 1 million (mainly innocents) how about an apology to my family for that since we lost 5 members?

I am truly sorry for you and your family - and I would hope in the fullness of time some ET apologise

Forgiver? Indonesians never ask NL for apology or reparations - I think you are 100% wrong on both counts

ET apology? Well since Indonesia was the colonial oppressor I guess Indonesia will need to apologise first but then I would hope they too apologise - If we use this formula Indonesia will make significant reparations to ET... oh a flying pig!!

PS - The Japanese also made apologies and massive reparations alongside the Dutch post WW2.

As for taking sides - I actually could not give a flying toss about that. All I said was with this act perhaps Indonesia will follow suit and make apologies to the millions of deaths it has caused via its own internal violence which is an observation and not a side.

Come on Tadpole I am waiting for PART 2

PART 2: Oh, yeah, this is not about hatred, but just to show u another side of the case. You better find another textbook of human rights or other sources which can provide you different views.

as Indonesian, I have to admit that our Government did lot of mistakes but that does not mean that everyone can fingerpointing Indonesian government for all the blame. FYI, (this might not be found on sources that u read, DrDez) the Indonesian government built roads, hospitals, schools and everything that East Timor people need when they are with us. Well, it's all means nothing now but it's worth telling for a kind like u, DrDez for these might be another fact that u might never heard?uh?

FYI, as well, the Dutch should also render their apology for the Westerling Massacre. Do you ever heard about this? change ur textbook if you're never heard of it.

PART 1: yeah, I got you, esp. you DrDez. I really know when I put this kind of comment, a kind like you, DrDez, will show up take (as always) side thus disregard a balance look upon the case at hand.

FYI, my parents were among those were forced and killed by militia of east timorese, supported by Fretilin. For allt his years, I learnt something that Indonesians are forgiver.

Why? Indonesians never ask the Kingdom of Netherlands to render their apology for all the cruelty they done for more than three centuries ofcolonialisation nor do they ask the same apology from East Timor government upon what their militias had done to pro-integration.

Val / Lady

Yes sadly the hate is as great as ever -