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Military Intervention on Ahmadiyah Legal: Patrialis
Markus Junianto Sihaloho | March 16, 2011

Members of the hard-line Islamic Defenders Front have demanded the government declare Ahmadiyah a forbidden sect. (JG Photo) Members of the hard-line Islamic Defenders Front have demanded the government declare Ahmadiyah a forbidden sect. (JG Photo)
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Valkyrie
1:02pm Mar 18, 2011

Patrialis didn't even know the happenings in Nusa Kambangan and I thought he visited the place to clean it up. They were churning billions of drug dollars right before his eyes.

That's the problem with the President for having senior ministers unfit for their tasks and ever so often uttering nonsensical statements. They NEVER think the consequences of their actions.

Muslimsforpeace1
12:04pm Mar 18, 2011

Is religion matter of God or humans ?  If its God then what difference it makes if a govt declares a community as banned ? The only outcome they look for is forcing ahmadis after the ban, taking control of their Mosques etc   So it's not matter of beliefs it's just struggle for political gains.  Why r they so scared of peace living community of ahmadis?

kunri
4:32pm Mar 16, 2011

Then Military takeover of any property in caes of ANY major/minor threat to property is perfectly legal. It would be perfectly legal to put all citizens in jail for protection of murders, mugging, robberies etc etc.

Great logic at work. Patrialis should be nominated for some stupity awards.

lifeatsea
3:40pm Mar 16, 2011

Words fail me. Reshuffle now please! How can you have a Justice and Human Rights Minister who says allowing the military to intimidate people into denouncing their faith is "helping them" and not a violation of their rights? So military actions against muslims in Kosovo or Chechnya are ok in his eyes? Chinese military actions against Uhyghurs is ok? Or is it only ok if religions other than Islam are intimidated? Is Patrialis Minister of Justice and Human Rights for all Indonesians or just those that follow his perverted view of what religion should be?

satel
2:39pm Mar 16, 2011

So forcing people to change their religion is legal? Guess I should hire my own armed forces and start forcing people to stop believing in all this stupid stuff and just follow atheism. The world would certainly have less to fight over if you take all this religious b.s. out of the picture.

Amid allegations that the Indonesian military has  conducted operations designed to intimidate Ahmadiyah followers into renouncing their faith, Justice and Human Rights Minister Patrialis Akbar said on Wednesday that such actions could not be considered a legal violation of human rights.

“As long as their [the military’s] purpose is to keep Ahmadiyah from becoming a target of violence, then what they did is not a problem,” Patrialis said. “It’s not a violation of human rights principles, they are just helping Ahmadiyah members.”

On Tuesday, the military denied  that it had ordered the Siliwangi command in West Java to encourage mainstream Muslims to occupy Ahmadiyah mosques and preach “the true path” of Islam.

That statement followed news that army Maj. Gen. Moeldoko, the head of the Siliwangi command, had called on Muslims to conduct “an attack of prayer rugs” in mosques as a way of countering the beleaguered minority Islamic sect without direct violence.

Human rights watchdogs have called the effort an attempt to forcibly convert Ahmadis.

Patrialis urged the public to see the military’s action in a positive light, stressing that such intervention is legal, since the police requested the military to help them protect Ahmadiyah members.

“The police and the military can help at each other,” he said.

The House of Representatives had earlier demanded the military answer allegations that the West Java military unit was intimidating Ahmadiyah followers. Lawmakers on Tuesday said such operations possibly violated Indonesian law.