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Police Arrest Two in Banten Lynch Mob Probe
Farouk Arnaz, Nivell Rayda & Anita Rachman | February 08, 2011

Bebi, 45, is one of the survivors of the Cikeusik attack that saw three people killed. Critics say most media have failed to highlight the victims’ plight and instead debated the validity of the unorthodox sect’s teachings.  (JG Photo/Nivell Rayda) Bebi, 45, is one of the survivors of the Cikeusik attack that saw three people killed. Critics say most media have failed to highlight the victims’ plight and instead debated the validity of the unorthodox sect’s teachings.  (JG Photo/Nivell Rayda)
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raka.angga
1:03pm Feb 10, 2011

Islam (in its current form) to me is the least "spiritually developed" *) religion. If the aztecs were not wiped out by the spaniards, those muslims would get along very well with the aztecs (they can have that killing spree between themselves).... Now that the aztecs are gone, long gone, muslims have to settle with the jews.

Politically incorrect joke aside: the fact that islam actually allows killing in certain circumstances is what most bothers me....

Okay, they can always argue: that's okay for defense. Mind you, "defense" is such a loose term in islamic state of mind. In the extreme cases, saying "Mohammed is a false prophet" might be taken as an offence, thus killing is allowed. Really, depends on what kind of muslims you're talking to, and their background culture. If you say that to a (relatively) laid back indonesian muslim of 10+ years ago, you might get a mild "screw you" verbal response. But if you say that to an arab muslim (especially saudi kind of arabs), expect to get killed. In general muslims are more zealous than their christian / catholic counterparts. You can say jesus shagged his 12 disciples, a thousand times, and nothing really happen. Try saying Mohammed shagged a 9 years old Aisyah, and see the difference.

Alright, I wouldn't deny that animals (including us) have that survival instinct. I mean, it's just so natural for animals to kill when the other (only) possibility is to be killed / dead. But..., do we really need religion to tell us, in its holy scripture, _that_ ?

I mean, a religion can be made morally more acceptable if they take that kind of commandments / verses away. We don't need to be taught to act like animals. We know how to do it by nature.

*) Originally I used the term "most primitive". But I guess that sounds too rude.

peterrabbit
9:48am Feb 10, 2011

A bloody religious riot? So sad. Indonesia has a long way to go. It seems like you are going backwards instead of forward.This is uncivilized barbaric behavior.


TakingTosh
4:35pm Feb 9, 2011

They shouldn't worry - a few tears and say they are good to their kids will get them 6 months and a fine of 11 cents....

martin99
4:34pm Feb 9, 2011

Quote from article "“We traced their names after examining the footage from the media,”

Question from me, did they manage to trace the cops on the video who were stood watching?

martin99
4:30pm Feb 9, 2011

@marko They'll get six months if found guilty and fined 1000Rp like the FPI guy was in the Priests murder. Justice will have seen to be done then won't it (sarcasm intended)

The National Police have arrested two suspects following a bloody religious attack on Sunday that claimed three lives, a police spokesman said on Tuesday.

Insp. Gen. Anton Bachrul Alam said the suspects were identified from video footage of the attack by some 1,500 Islamic hard-liners on the Ahmadiyah community in Umbulan village in Pandeglang district, Banten.

“We traced their names after examining the footage from the media,” he said, identifying the suspects only as U. and A., both from Pandeglang. “They turned themselves in and are being cooperative. It’s still possible we’ll name more suspects.”

The police have also summoned 13 people for questioning as witnesses.

In addition to hunting down those responsible for murdering the three Ahmadiyah adherents, Anton said police were also looking into allegations of gross negligence by local police officers who failed to prevent the attack.

“We’ve dispatched a team, led by the National Police internal affairs chief [Comr. Gen. Nanan Soekarna], to the scene to investigate how this incident could occur,” he said.

“Was there any negligence or noncompliance with police procedure? Let’s wait and see.”

Separately, the House of Representatives announced it would meet with National Police Chief Gen. Timur Pradopo and Religious Affairs Minister Suryadharma Ali today to discuss better legal protection for the Ahmadiyah community.

Abdul Kadir Karding, chairman of House Commission VIII, which oversees religious affairs, said a possible re-evaluation of the 2008 joint ministerial decree that restricts the Ahmadiyah’s activities and has been used as a pretext for attacks would be considered.

He said the debate would be a thorny one because the majority of Indonesian Muslims refuse to allow the Ahmadiyah community to lay claim to Islam.

“If we see it from a human rights perspective, we must not force someone to follow a certain belief. This is the core problem that must be discussed,” Abdul said.

He added that the government had no legal basis to punish anyone over their beliefs and warned it risked international ridicule if it took the stop-gap measure of disbanding the sect.

In Pandeglang, meanwhile, two Ahmadiyah men missing since Sunday’s attacks and feared dead were found alive on Tuesday and taking refuge at a police post. Arif Rahman Hakim and Alfi said they had survived the attack by crossing a river and hiding in the bushes until the lynch mob left.