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Islamic Scholars React to Cikeusik Criticism
Ismira Lutfia | July 30, 2011

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jsbst18
3:50am Aug 5, 2011

@Jaja... stop pretending to be a Muslim

Oh, so the Indonesian response is, 'But killing 76 people is WRONG and 21 years is not enough, but killing 3 people is ok and 3 - 6 months is fair. "

So glad I got out of Indonesia.

icwhyte
3:31pm Aug 3, 2011

@JaJa, you are nuts, go live in Acheh or Saudi because Indonesia doesn't need closed minded zealots like you.

P.S. The Prophet, PBUH, would be disgusted by you!


didikarjadi
10:18am Aug 1, 2011

jaja - please answer me. Would you actually prefer it if Indonesia was more like other Islamic countries? For example Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Egypt, Egypt, Sudan, or any other you might like to name?

How do you see Indonesia, as a Sharia state? Would you prefer it if all white men were banished, if all other religions were prohibited, if there was no right to speak out against human rights abuses caused by religion, such as the hacking to death of another human being for choosing not to be mainstream? Would you agree if all young girls were forced to be circumcised; if men could have as many wives as they wished; if female gang rape victims were stoned to death; and if men whose choice of wife rejected them, were allowed to throw acid in their faces or cut off their ears and nose; and if sisters who brought shame on the family by trying to marry someone they love, could be legally killed by fathers and brothers?

Just what is your ideal Indonesia? For at this moment, besides being known for being the country with the largest Muslim population on the face of the Planet, it is the most criminally corrupt and most morally bankrupt nation on Earth as well. It is a fact that a vast number of the Muslims in Indonesia are criminally corrupt, which I believe is called hypocrisy.

Please enlighten me, us, what is it that you want?


Sceptic
10:14am Aug 1, 2011

Slamet Effendi Yusuf conveniently forgets that these people were not indicted for murder by the prosecution,something that is not likely to happen in Norway,so the comparison is idiotic.

I have already stated in another reaction it is hard to understand why the murdercharges were dropped by the prosecution and it would be wise to investigate the prosecutors.The judges were merely following the much lighter charges the prosecutors made.

Darwinista
7:55am Aug 1, 2011

irony is that Indonesia defends the judicial sham by saying "you should not critizise", rather then defending the laws used for sentencing based on the judicial system. Is the idea that you should not critizise based on the type of freedom of expression available in Indonesia?

Indonesian Islamic scholars had mixed reactions to criticism launched by Western nations of the apparent light sentences handed down to Islamist extremists who killed members of the Ahmadiyah sect in Cikeusik, Banten.

The district court in Serang, Banten’s capital on Thursday handed down jail sentences of between three and six months for all 12 defendants.

The men were found guilty of “participation in a violent attack that resulted in casualties.”

They were involved in a Feb. 6 attack on a group of Ahmadis gathered at the home of an Ahmadiyah leader in Cikeusik, a village some 95 kilometers from Serang.

Three Ahmadis died in the videotaped attack while five others were seriously injured.

The attack allegedly involved some 1,500 Islamist militants and about 20 Ahmadiyah members.

The United States and European Union on Thursday expressed disbelief over the lightness of the sentences, while Human Rights Watch called it a “sad day for Indonesia.”

The US Embassy encouraged Indonesia “to defend its tradition of tolerance for all religions, a tradition praised by President [Barack] Obama in his November 2010 visit to Jakarta.”

The embassy called the sentences “disproportionately light.”

But Slamet Effendy Yusuf, of the Indonesian Council of Ulema (MUI), criticized Western nations for only seeing the verdict from their own perspectives.

“Western countries must respect another country’s judiciary system based on its own cultural and philosophical background,” Slamet said.

He pointed out that Anders Behring Breivik, the man charged with killing 76 people in terror attacks on July 22, would face harsher penalties in Indonesia.

In Norway, Breivik faces a maximum sentence of 21 years but in Indonesia, a terror suspect would be facing a death sentence for a similar crime.

“But we don’t criticize their law, even though we think what he did is unacceptable,” Slamet said. “Regardless of the case, they have to respect Indonesia’s judiciary system.”

However, Salahuddin Wahid, a scholar from Nahdlatul Ulama, Indonesia’s largest Muslim Organization said that many Muslims in Indonesia also questioned the light sentences.

“But it is the court’s authority [to decide],” he said, adding it was within the other countries’ rights to express their disappointment. 
“It is OK if they want to have a say as long as they are not applying any pressure,” he said.