No Bikinis at Miss World 2013, Joko Pleads

Miss World 2012 Ivian Sarcos (L) and Miss Indonesia 2012 Ines Putri Tjiptadi Chandra (R) pose for phorographs during Miss Indonesia contest 2012 in Jakarta,Indonesia on April 28, 2012.   ( AFP Photo / Oscar Siagian)

Miss World 2012 Ivian Sarcos, left, and Miss Indonesia 2012 Ines Putri Tjiptadi Chandra, right, pose for photographs during the Miss Indonesia contest 2012 in Jakarta in this April 28, 2012 file photo. (AFP Photo/Oscar Siagian)

Following mounting criticism from conservative Muslim groups, Jakarta Governor Joko Widodo urged contestants of the upcoming Miss World pageant not to pose in bikinis.

“The event should be in line with Indonesian culture,” Joko told Indonesian news portal Detik.com on Wednesday. “I think the it will be better if they [contestants] do not wear bikini.”

The Sentul International Convention Center in Bogor, West Java, will host the Miss World 2013 pageant on Sept. 28.
Conservative Muslim groups have been criticizing the event as disrespectful to Indonesian values.

The East Java branch of the Indonesian Council of Ulema (MUI) said that it would send a letter to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to demand that the beauty pageant be scrapped.

Abdusommad Bukhori, the provincial MUI chief, said that as a Muslim country, Indonesia should not have anything to do with such event.

In April, the West Java chapter of the clerical council, claimed that the pageant would “certainly hurt and sully Indonesia’s Muslim community.”

Mukri Aji, the West Java MUI chairman, said the beauty contest was just an excuse to flaunt body parts that should remain covered, adding that it was also impolite and against local religious norms.

The Bogor chapter of Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia, a hard-line Islamic group, also voiced its opposition to the pageant and called for it to be moved elsewhere.

 

  • Good,Bad and Ugly

    Up until one generation ago the Indonesian culture included bare breasts in Bali.

    • udangdibalikbatu

      it is still common in most parts of indonesia. i can remember tens of times riding around seeing women showering and washing clothes in rivers

      • GypsyMacaque

        Looking to bare breast women behind your stone heh?

    • Duncan

      it still is all over the nation GBU – only in Java and other hotbeds of radical Islam is it offensive

    • Valkyrie1604

      And then, we seldom hear of rape cases taking place? I guess Eve started it. Guess you’re correct there ‘Duncan.’

    • GypsyMacaque

      The dutch forbid it in 1902(or 01),now the dutch are bare-breasted, and the balinese wears long sleeve clothes.

  • Kormakoff

    Don’t make it a big issue. They have the same norm everywhere in the world. Please do not refer to the religion there’s nothing to do with it. This is the world competition it’s international. If you against it don’t let the national girl join the world event. I wonder how can Indonesians modernize themselves. It’s wrong since they pointed out the matter.

    • Febri Arnolie

      The most boring beauty contest is in Indonesia, better let them wearing sarong and covering their face in tropical country!

  • Wonderer

    Let them scrap the contest and let the world know about “New Indonesia”!

  • devine

    “The Bogor chapter of Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia, a hard-line Islamic group, also voiced its opposition to the pageant and called for it to be moved elsewhere”… agree… lets move it to Bali…

  • udangdibalikbatu

    “Abdusommad Bukhori, the provincial MUI chief, said that as a Muslim country, Indonesia should not have anything to do with such event.”

    but indonesia isnt a muslim country…

    im sure everyone in sumba, papua and maluku are outraged!!! wait a second nevermind this is the standard for two-faced islam in java. standard.

    • Febri Arnolie

      Indonesia is very weak, they can not crackdown FPI and radical groups!

  • beki

    No more international soccer match because of childish crowd.
    No more concerts because of MUI FPI banned them
    No more Miss World because they dont allow bikini
    Let the culture destroy the economy of indonesia

    • devine

      What these radicals say is actually not even our culture…

      • TalkingEid

        I’m afraid it is rapidly becoming our culture, devine. The Middle Eastern wannabes have hijacked it.

  • meautiayu

    These conservative Muslims are just stupid. Enough with this non-sense. Little less they know, there are hidden bikinis under those burkas.

    • Valkyrie1604

      They still want to look good too, behind those “ninja” outfits. Don’t they?

    • Febri Arnolie

      What value muslim wanna preserve, marriage with for women at a time? Like what legal law in Indonesia, a good Muslim is the one who let others embrace freedom, if you afraid of bikini so dont look (edited)! Rape case doesnt happens in bikini country but it always happen in Muslim world, always!

  • Catweazle

    Maybe a compromise can be reached? One round in bikinis followed by one round in burkas – then everyone is happy!

  • Wizard

    Indonesian culture is not against bikini’s. It is only the fanatics.

  • nugnut

    The only reason why the likes of FPI and the MUI want the pagent shut down is simple.

    There is no way that they can extort money from the event.

  • ulcezzz

    I just knew indonesia is a muslim country…

    • GypsyMacaque

      They are muslim when they can not possessed or enjoy it, if they can own/ enjoy the ladies they call it Halal.

      Hypocrite thats the only word you need.

  • GypsyMacaque

    You do not need bikini to see how beautiful these contestants are.
    Use your imagination, its free & its last longer.

  • TalkingEid

    Is there something about the name of the competition that I don’t understand? It’s called “Miss World”. Why do we continually harp on that the rest of the world should ‘respect our culture’ when we show not the slightest respect for anyone else’s. “They are all marching out of step with me”.

  • PakLe

    If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Then they won’t be ‘offended’. Just like they can chose to stay away from the thousands of strip clubs in Indonesia, or the hotel bars with sexy dancers and hundreds of hookers, or the semi-porn magazines Indonesians read, or the porn DVDs on sale everywhere, or the entire Internet.

    But no, this is not about that. It’s about appearing to be pious in as public a way as possible. Reject the international beauty pageant because of Bikinis, then go and have a quiet beer in a seedy club to celebrate their PR success.

    I personally can’t stand Miss World and similar, and i won’t bother watching it. But that’s simply a personal preference.

    Should’ve held it in Bali. Imagine if they tried to ban bikinis there! Just hope this isn’t the start of Jokowi bowing to pressure from the loonies.

    • GypsyMacaque

      If you do not want to see the beauties, look the other way, look at the ladies in burqas, more imagination needed to unravel the beauties or the beast.
      Wise words sir.

    • GypsyMacaque

      Wel no body is perfect, probably his wife told him so. surely the protagonist Basuki Ahok will enjoy the bikinis.

  • shrek.rhoma

    Ironic to see the title of article “No Bikinis at Miss
    World 2013, Joko Pleads” while next to the title sit a suara pembaruan
    front page titled “Fathanah Diduga Beri Gratifikasi Seks”. On one side the MUI, FPI
    and if I am not mistaken it was Titaful from PKS who claim to have blocked 1
    million porn site. Isn’t Fathanah one of the cash cow of the PKS?? Too bad for
    the majority of the Indonesian people, your leaders and the elites are telling
    you that you need to abstain from seeing beautiful women in bikini. While they have
    college girls @ 10jt per pop.

  • Serigala

    Bowing to the minority then Joko. No different to your predecessor. Expected you to stand up for the people that voted you in and not the extremists that voted for Fauzi.

  • heapologiatoutimotheou

    How about holding the competition in another part of the world that doesn’t adhere to 7th Century standards of morality?

  • Hamizul Abdul Hamid

    Many people always think, Islam is only in masjid or pesantren…but, islam is everything and every where…i agree that this kind of event shouldn’t happen in Indonesia, the largest of muslim commuity in south east asia…

    • JohnEnglish

      Hamizul Abdul Hamid, are you Indonesian? Your name suggests not, and so does your little hat. Mate, you have a wonderful culture in Indonesia don’t destroy it.

      • GypsyMacaque

        Surely white-skull species of scumbag sir.

      • Voxclara

        Most would think they are not destroying but substituting the existing wonderful culture with a far ‘superior’ Arabic-Islamic one…. Sadly none of us can stop the rapid islamization of Indonesia. The majority seems to want it that way.

  • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

    I’m sure the burkas would be popular.

  • Tatanka

    Abusommad Bukhori, you are wrong! Indonesia is not a muslim country.

    Mukri Aji, you are wrong too. Which religious normal are you referring to? Indonesia embrace different religions. Unless of you are talking about a religion that practices female genital mutilation, the raping of underage girls and acceptance of prostitution through contract marriages.

    • proud to be christian

      WELL SAID !! TATANKA

  • sheldon archer

    Very disappointed in Joko. Thought that he would stand up to the radicals. Thought that he would be a good president but not anymore. The organizers should insist on having their contest the way they desire or just skip Indonesia

    • proud to be christian

      agree

    • devine

      If you stand up to the radicals they will call you a “bad” Muslim. That is how they “catch” everybody, including Jokowi….
      That is the same reason why SBY does not function anymore… too scared to ever be titeled a “bad” Muslim…
      Sad… and a result of decades of very poor education on all levels…

  • Albert Thee

    this is just sad…

  • Valkyrie1604

    Politicians need to “lie” once in a while.

  • Valkyrie1604

    That word “pop” gave me a smile. Nice and thank you.

  • TalkingEid

    I agree. It should be held in a civilized country. We don’t deserve to be treated like one.

    • proud to be christian

      true that

  • Valkyrie1604

    I am glad you stated it as the largest Muslim community and not “the world.”

    At least tell us why you think so?

  • MadWorld

    Bikini too hot to handle for your brain?

    • proud to be christian

      SEEMS LIKE THAT HAHAHAHAHAHA dont wanna see become but for sure later they go online and watch porn :-/ fuuny thing

  • Liefky

    I don’t think Indonesia is a Muslim country. Indonesia is a multicultural country. We respect each other….

    • proud to be christian

      i agree , some people respect others but most here have their head full of sh=t , for exmaple all those muslim in bekasi doing demo cos they dont want a church being build there and saying thats illegal , my question is why is a church illegal but there is thousand of mesjib that disturb more than church does, church wont wake up people at 5 in the morning w the praying thingy like mesjib does, so actually no , here in indonesia we do not respect each other and to be more especific must muslim does not respect other religions , some of them do but must of them NO

  • Hooswho

    Would Joko Widodo please advise if he was speaking in his official status as Governor or in a private status as a citizen

    If it was as Governor – he should not comment or try to impose his own views on others for this totally legal event that has been held in many different countries – with bikinis – for decades

    If as a private citizen he is within his rights

  • hogwash

    No bikinis? Yes. Naked only please. :)

  • hogwash

    Perhaps burkini? :) That’s gonna nagging aggressive peace …

  • sissi

    Can’t stand the pageant because of the bikini … But many Muslim men have bunch of mistresses beside their max 4 wives allowed by the religion!!! Jokowi please lahhhhhhh

  • hruni a

    funny from a nation ranked 6th in porno downloads and that with only 26% of the nation having internet coverage

  • hruni a

    I like the facebook like gif on the front page – some wannabe arab next to a chick with a bikini on :) grrr baby very grrr
    ps – too old for the PKS – never ask me to explain

  • Chettiar

    Thought Joko was above this sort of nonsense. Seems perhaps we have overestimated him.

  • MadWorld

    Honestly, I prefer bare chested women compared to burqa clad one

  • Muffinman

    Pak Joko, this isn’t World Cup Soccer or Formula 1. It’s the ‘Miss World Pagent’ and for most of the veiwers around the world it’s pretty much about great looking girls in bikinis (and Indonesia always has some of the best !) . Maybe the problem is that Indonesia lags behind the rest of the world in terms of ‘Freedom of speech and expression’ ?
    and for that reason, Indonesia is not yet ready for this kind of event.

  • fideldidel

    Abdusommad Bukhori, the provincial MUI chief, please get your facts strait especially as a government official, this is NOT a Muslim country far from it it is a country with predominantly Muslims. as a fact of the matter is there are more Christians in this country then there are people in Australia just to put it in perspective. however that is not the issue here. The issue is that you are coming up with things to make this country look bad to the outside world and quite possibly isolate yourself in the future. by saying such un-radical statements.

    just go to Bali, Lombok or any other of the holiday destinations in the country you see bikinis all over the place why is it now such an issue? and this is only one of the many statements i can make why this discussion is a waste of time.

  • Valkyrie1604

    When one lets his/her mouth overload his/her ar**, this is what will happen. He should have kept his trap shut. No matured politician will make such public acclamation, especially when he/she knows that it’s a controversial issue.

    • Voxclara

      Shame really, thought Joko was progressive and doing quite well…

  • me

    I am trying to imagine if there’s a protest with women wearing bikini to support this event, it’d be fun to watch their reaction. (yes, we all know they will secretly enjoy that show)

  • Ali

    Very urgent

  • Ali

    Indo workers in Jordan she need help please please

  • devine

    Bapak Jokowi… Kuta Beach is now off limits for you… (as well as an pool site bbq at any international hotels in Jkt)

  • GypsyMacaque

    It is not an IQ test, nor a charity show. It is a beauty contest. According to the International rules, the contestant should in certain stage wearing bikinis.
    But to the radical Moslim, the bikini is an IQ test. Their gonads became too hot, and those beautiful hot-properties are not theirs.
    According to the Sharia, IF,can’t be comprehended by the IQ of radical moslim,it is haram.
    End of discussion.

  • MadWorld

    What a shameful attitude, fearing beautiful women in bikinis.

  • MadWorld

    Bikini was worn by female athletes in ancient Greece as far back as 1400 B.C. Archeological description of bikini,in south Anatolia, chalcolitic area,dating back to 5600 B.C. There is not a single war caused by wearing bikinis. There are many wars fought based on the ancient scumbag way of thinking of the Sunni Moslim fundamentalism ( including wahhabism the export product of Saudia Arabia).
    ref: Goddesses in ancient India, Abhinav publication 1984,ISBN 0-39-02960-6
    Ancient invention, Ballantine book, 1994, by Peter James, J.Thoye, ISBN
    0-345-40102-6

  • TGIF

    Didn’t SBY win the conscience interfaith award? Now the world wants to see how tolerant and democratic this country is truly about what could be more than a start with Miss World 2013.
    The world would rather see an innocent pageant with or without bikinis than the killings of innocent religious minorities or the barbaric childish uneducated Islamic hard liners running wild on TV. Should the Islamic hard liners cause havoc and be televised in 170 nations, it would be an embarrassing moment for Indonesia. She would lose face immediately and the respect from the world. And of course the decline of tourism along the way.
    The world is smarter than that and it can relate to the entertainment business and climate. It would not draw a negative impact on this nation. However hard liners protests that have geared last time toward the Lady Gaga concert in Indonesia has certainly given this nation a bad score. So much for pluralism and tolerance.

    • Dunan Pea

      I agree with U. We know all that SBY just get The Conscience Interfaith Award. I want to know his answer about this issue. Miss World = Religion.

  • Elat

    Hey, you, Proud to be…
    Get your facts straight, before you go spout off your (lack of) knowledge.
    By the way, it is ‘Masjid” and not “meshib”, check it out, baby !
    Check your English spelling too, while you are at it.

    • mauriceg

      @Elat – goodness me, sir / madam, such an abrupt, aggressive, hostile reaction to a heartfelt plea. One doesn’t need so many facts at one’s disposal when one is rudely and noisily wakened at 5am.

      I half-seriously suggest that any faithful Muslim worshipper needing a wake-up call from a muezzin get on an sms list. With luck everyone who needs their call gets it quietly (maybe special ringtones can be provided), without disturbing the neighbours. Your god is probably heartily sickened by the bad neighbourly, over-amplified, childishly triumphalist azan, but sadly Islam requires the noisiest type of superficial ersatz spirituality.
      How’s my English spelling, baby?

      • Elat

        Your English ain’t bad, sonny. I like your idea of using sms, nice and quiet. but that will never happen, of course.
        Did you ever consider to live up to the old saying: In Rome like the Romans ?
        I like the Indonesian people, but in my opinion their main religion leaves much to be desired, just like the Christian religions…
        Pikir sendiri…

  • Elat

    Knowledge is power and a little knowledge is dangerous !
    I find that most of these “commenters” only have little knowledge….

    • devine

      So what are you saying? Is it ok nor not in your opinion that bikini are allowed at the Miss World 2013?

      • Valkyrie1604

        That’s not the point ‘devine,’ We, or most of us on this board have little knowledge and it seems dangerous from the eyes of ‘Elat.’

        We now have one “smart elat” in our midst. LOL!

  • jakarta

    Hold it in Bali then. Indonesian culture is not merely bare-chest Balinese women. There are many other local ethnics which clearly declare Islam as foundation of their culture without leaving its uniqueness and character.

  • TalkingEid

    I guess pious Muslims don’t know where the ‘off’ switch is on their TV.

  • devine

    That this whole issue has become headline news already shows how backward we have become!

  • TalkingEid

    I guess Elat’s knowledge is limited to that quote.

  • kora

    wow,the amount of the comments shows a lot….people pay attention to this kind of issue a lot more than political and economic growth of this country….as indonesian citizen,mr joko has every right to comment about any events in indonesia,whats the ruckus? :-/

  • $16904041

    Although I don’t agree with Islamic extreme methods to force female modesty, lasciviousness should be discourage! Sexuality is a marital divine gift ONLY! All women are cursed an unending desire and need to please a man ~ hence the name “Curse of Eve” ~ but their sexuality should be for their husband’s eye only and NOT for all the eyes of world! Second, as it is mandated in the ten commandments, divine chastisements of the parents are placed upon their children. In other words, the sexual voluptuousness of the female body has been diminished drastically due to their parents’/mothers’ ungodly lasciviousness behavior! To put it plainly ~ Today’s female, especially in the USA, have flatter shaped bodies than pervious generations! Those societies that practice both physical and mental sexual modesty are blessed with the most voluptuous bodies for their females and strong manhoods for their men! Both of these things are lacking in those societies that indulge in sexual exploitations!

    • TalkingEid

      You seem to be confusing ‘fat’ with ‘attractive’ – although given all your other confusions that is hardy a surprise.
      “divine chastisements of the parents are placed upon their children.” -I must have missed that one or did God send you some tablets of stone to define what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’?

    • devine

      Funny theory… but you can’t be serious… right?

  • Elat

    Ha, ha, haaaa! Funny world, isn’t it ?

  • Dewi

    This is not a muslim country… If it is, then I can’t live here anymore :(