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Shia Islamic Boarding School Torched, Police Do Nothing: Allegation
December 29, 2011

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antifreeze
12:48pm Dec 31, 2011

Perhaps the JG could ask former president Habibe himself a Shia for his 'take' on these goings on.


antifreeze
12:24pm Dec 31, 2011

Drd

I've also heard that Shias have a 'scholar class' (essentially religous leaders not directly related to Mohammed )that seek, and have sought in the past, to put Koranic teachings into context and often caution literal instructions as being ambiguous to the temporal mindset in content, and therefore liable to misinterpretation. They are often less dogmatic and study for a deeper understanding of core Islamic values in a more philosophical sense.

On the other hand they can (Shias as a group) be more 'fey'in terms of the supernatural aspects of religion.

Or something like that.

You are right in their beleif not to take threats lieing down and will fight back, tho they will not (I think) suicide bomb beleiving that those who do such things go staight to hell.

As to the Shia vs Sunni thing as 'the Hitch' opined any muslim would surely admit that logically they can't after all both be right.


jusdogin
11:29am Dec 31, 2011

my dad hates life of brian he says it should be banned... i love it


DrDez
11:15am Dec 31, 2011

anti Freeze

Many followers of Islam promote violence v anyone who is not 'with them'. (many do not of course)

For the Sunni The Shiites are considered even worse than the Ahmadiyah - One difference however is the Shiites will and do fight back and have done so since 632AD. Basically Sunnis believe that Abu Bakr, the father of Muhammad's 9 year old wife Aisha, was his rightful heir based upon the Ummah; as choosing leaders like this is endorsed by the Quran. However Shiites believe that Muhammad divinely ordained his cousin and son-in-law Ali in accordance with the command of God to be the next caliph making Ali and his direct descendants Muhammad's successors. Ali was married to Fatimah, Muhammad's daughter.

So here we have a conundrum. If the word of Mohammad is the word of god as believed then all Sunni are heretics and by default non Muslim.. ergo they kill each other. If he was an usurper then all Shiites are heretics... ergo they kill each other.. simples


antifreeze
3:24pm Dec 30, 2011

I'm no expert on Shia credo, but have known many Shias as collegues and friends,and when it comes to tolerance of major religions they are far ahead of many sunni sects. After all Iran has churches, synagogues and Temples where minorities worship with few hassles whatsoever.


A Shia-run Islamic boarding school was set ablaze by an a group from a rival branch of Islam in East Java on Thursday.

The Islamic boarding school (pesantren), Tajul Muluk in Sampang district, was destroyed but there are no reports of injuries. The pesantren houses about 100 male and female students.

“We suspect the incident was carried out by a group of Wahabis who are also suspected of burning the house of one of the school’s teachers two weeks ago,” said Ahmad Hidayat, the secretary general of Islamic organization Ahlul Bait Indonesia.

A later report identified the group as Sunni.

In the previous incident, the attackers locked the door of the home shut before setting the house on fire, with the occupants lucky to escape with their lives.

Ahmad said security forces had failed to act after the first attack.

Moh. Hadun Hadear, another member of ABI, told BeritaSatu that a prior to the latest attack there had been rumors of the looming incident and despite appeals to the police for help, nothing had been done.

National Police spokesman Insp. Gen. Saud Usman Nasution denied allegations that police had let the attacks occur.

“The police have tried to visit the location. But we were intercepted by a mob,“ Saud said.

“We’re still investigating, please be patient.”

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